user poll on seperates vs integrated


Hey guys, I wanted to try and crowd-source some (likely very opinionated, unscientific) knowledge.  I've read about the benefits of separates (have only ever used integrated myself), and I'm wondering how those benefits compare to the benefits of higher end parts/assembly, when controlled for cost.

 

To put it more plainly, would you likely get better overall results from a $5000 preamp and $5000 amp, or from a $10,000 integrated, given the likely quality/components used in equipment in those price ranges.

 

If you're experienced both separates, and integrated amps that cost the equivalent of those separate parts added together, can you speak to which you preferred?

 

Thanks for weighing in.

chrisryanhorner

Absolutely love the idea of integrateds but even the more expensive ones seem to have been handily outperformed by even modest separates (in my system ). I wish it were not so. Some of the integrateds that people rave about are beyond my reach financially.

 

This is even before discussing the typical quality of their integrated phono amps…if they even have them.

The first BAT 300 (with 6922s) was the best I’ve ever heard.  If I’m not mistaken, it’s current equivalent is about 12k…you can buy some nice separates with that!

Bottom Line: I vote Separates!

OP

another +vote for the Integrated Amp. Over the last 10 years, the technological advances have finally reached this product niche'.  Test drive your fave Brand sometime.

 

Happy Listening!

Separates provide more opportunity for introducing noise due to the more connections and runs of various wires.. They will also cost more in interconnects as well as take up more room. If you want to swap out pre-amps as some have mentioned, many integrated amps have the option of using an outboard pre-amp

@chrisryanhorner I like the way you asked the question about separates vs. integrated. I checked out your top-of-the-line Focal Kanta No. 3 on Crutchfield’s. As Bill Clinton would say, ‘I feel your pain.’ I just got some new speakers myself, and everything is up in the air until I get them installed and tune the room. Proceeding logically, do you think the Kanta 3’s are right for your room? If so, then the next question is what kind of amplification do they need -in your room-? I notice that the power spec is 40 to 400 Watts with a 91 dB sensitivity into 8 Ohm nominal impedance. With those specs, I wouldn’t think it would be hard to drive, which opens the door to integrated amps. So, again, I think you phrased your question well.
 

Two thoughts: (1) separates give you more ways to get the sound you want, but they’re high maintenance. Not only do you have to build the system yourself, but there are so many variables, from gain matching preamp to amp, interconnect cabling, tubes in pre? Tubes in DAC? Tubes, period? And interconnects . . . don’t get me started. Thing is, if you don’t like what you’re hearing, you can do something about it. (2) The term ‘Integrated’ has been tossed around on this thread without much definition. Decware sells an ‘integrated’ that seems pretty bare-bones to me. You really have to look closely under the hood (or pony up that $10,000 you reference. Back in the day (60’s & ‘70’s) HiFi was all about receivers which included a radio, tone controls, tape monitor circuits, and power up up to 150 Watts. Radio isn’t so big these days, but streaming is. Some people like to play vinyl. Do you want to ‘integrate’ digital I/O, or use a separate DAC? 
 

From what I can glean from your conversation thus far, I would say you would be happier with an appropriate integrated, that has the features you need, and with the flexibility to augment its offering. That is, can you use you new phono amp with it? Will it accept digital inputs, or is it all analog (my choice). Does it have tone controls? Does it stream? Does it have preamp outs? Does it have Home Theater pass-through? It seems to me that, while I’m committed to separates presently, the RIGHT integrated can offer both flexibility and ease of use. (And you may be able to control everything with one remote.)

One final thought on integrated amplifiers, as with multi-function printers, an integrated’s ability is usually tilted in favor of the manufacturer’s strengths. A company renowned for it’s power amps may not have the most detailed preamp, a headphone amp company may have a hard time scaling up to power hungry speaker amps, etc. when you get into integrated amps, I would stick with major manufacturers known for producing units with consistent sound, performance, and reliability; with separates, you can experiment as suits your fancy. 
 

Good Luck. 

I would argue that unless you need huge reservoirs of power delivered via monoblocs, then integrated is the way.  I did have separates but found no SQ compromise moving to integrated (albeit with different brands).   Having done a lot of research and listening in dealers’ demo rooms and at home I have ended up driving all my systems with integrated amps.  The best I heard are from a company who built its reputation on its integrated amps: Vitus in particular. I have the SIA-30 which is an incredible amp. The Trilogy 925 integrated is also a phenomenal integrated with its valve pre-amp section.  

Integrated amps also offer so much better value - good amps usually have expensive casing in their build costs which can contribute a significant proportion of the cost of an amp. Added on to this is the fact that there is no need for interconnects and only one power cable is necessary, it means integrated amps not not only sound as good (from my experience) but are significantly better value, and of course they take up less space and need one fewer shelf on the rack.