The damper, the tension wire and cantilever position


This question is for Dover. I would prefer our ''heighest authority'' Carr but

am reluctant to bather his with possible silly question. Dover however,

whom I regard as ''second authority'' , is used to answer also silli questions.

Now my assumption is that damper to which coills are ,say, pressed

by tension wire  balance cantilever/stylu combo in  ''all directions'';

left and right and above and below . BUT they also MUST FOLLOW

the GROOVES.

My observation however is that also ''deviant'' cantilevers which

nobody would buy look STRAIGHT IN DE GROOVE. Ergo:: it is

the groove which determine cantilevet/stylus position .?

128x128nandric

I am realy sorry for ONE more post to my own thread but those numbers

forced me , so to speak, to think about them. In context with Wittgenstein.

I was skeptical about his understaning about what phylosophy is about.

The reason? His ''phylosophical investigation'' . In ''there'' he made

10000 phylosophical remarsk while in my opinion is  that an normal

person can rememer, say, 10. I also got some support from ''particle

physics'' .

Now according to Raul the main target of this forum is that teach memeber

can learn to improve listening experience.

So I thought about thiose numbers and  was able to see his numbers of post: 12307. 

But this is even more than the, say, modest 10000 by

Wittgenstain. 

'deviant' (being different from an expected normal).

The OP's First Statement

"My observation however is that also ''deviant'' cantilevers which nobody would buy look STRAIGHT IN DE GROOVE. Ergo:: it is

the groove which determine cantilevet/stylus position .?"

Does not the suggestion put the notion in place that the 'deviant' aspect is quite noticeable and certainly not subtle, especially as the term "nobody would buy" is used to help describe what is being observed.

Does not the opinion formed "which nobody would buy", lean toward the notion, that this is a recollection of a experience encountered, maybe as a result of being involved in confrontation's on such a subject as a result of being a Vendor. 

As said, my focus has been on the 'deviant' reference, and there in my thought is plenty to suggest 'deviant' and 'askew' are close in description.

The OP then later states

"People start with some assertion believen it to be true and act in accordingly  with their assertion. My was that any deviation from  straight meant defective cantikever".

At no time has it been presented that the 'deviant' has been referencing a 'deviation from straight' as being the witnessed form of the cantilever.

To cover this as an potential meaning to the vague description being offered. It has been  suggested that a "deviation from straight", has meant a defective alignment that is noticeable on the cantilever, which is assumed to be a sideways movement, as this is the one that is most likely to be perceived as a self corrected condition when the Styli is placed in the Groove.

The eye will have a harder time detecting a Vertical movement on something that is already set quite different to the horizontal position, especially to a degree that is only slight in its movement from the optimised position.

A collapsed cantilever will be the most obvious when assessing the horizontal positioning and again the placing of the Styli in the Groove is not going to offer anything to suggest this condition has corrected itself.

There is references made to the likelihood of a Mineral Based Cantilever is not commonly seen showing a curve/arch in its form, along with the suggestion a curve /arch is a possible condition to be discovered in a Metal Cantilever.

Neither a Curve or Arch to a metal material cantilevers form is going to be appearing corrected when the Styli is set in the Groove.  

There has been suggestion that the 'deviation' being referred  to is noticeable and one that would be so noticeable, that it has the potential to create a situation where a Vendor would be met with a Customer that would not be willing to purchase, as a result of witnessing a cantilevers obvious 'deviation'.

The referencing the idea the knowledgeable Customer has expressed a cautiousness to continue with a sale, as a result of the likelihood, the cause of cantilever 'deviation' is from a loss of a optimised set up at other interfaces the assembly has and which the cantilever is dependent on for its own optimised function.

I have chosen to use the term 'askew cantilever' (to one side - out of line) for being the indicator other concerning conditions are likely to be present.

As said, the simple evaluation is that, other costs are likely to be incurred as a means to have the parts within the assembly investigated for how they are impacting on the alignment of the Cantilever. There is projected cost to achieve a Cart' that is once more set up as optimised and enables the cantilever to have a operational envelope, that is suited to the design. The askew cantilever is a indicator that there is a secondary requirement  post sale, creating a road a customer is potentially not wanting to inherit as part of the journey to acquire a particular model of Cartridge.

From a personal standpoint, I do not fear buying a Cart' with an obvious fault, I do my due diligence put into practice and the forming an evaluation after having consultations, leaves me with a clear understanding of what I am about to put in place. I accept my ambitions for a faulty Cart' are with risks associated. I am also fully aware of the idea, the ambition may not be fruitful and ultimately be a waste of some of my monies. I also accept the idea, I am purchasing in a way that demands other monies are required to be spent to receive a appraisal and penultimately, the being informed the Donor is a satisfactory candidate for further works to be undertaken.

There is also in present markets, very few reasonable priced faulty Cart's from certain Brands Models. The very attractive trade in deals on offer for exchange models has made the donor model prices become more elevated, it does seem the influence on the price hike, is that models of interest are now being scooped up by individuals looking to buy into a Brands Cart' using a bought in faulty older model as the method using the Brands exchange policy.

    

   

pindac, regarding semantics you are at the right address. I am student of

logic, semantics and phylosophy of language for 30 years. But we are not

talking about semantics but about an experiment which can be done by

anyone. If they can't repeat the experiment this means denial of

my ''proposition'' or if they do confirmation. As you can SEE this is not

about semantics. I already have try to make this clear to you but obiviously

without succes. Do you own any cart with ''deviant cantilever''? I don't

believe this because if you deed you would repeat experiment and

not mess with definitions or explanation of words.

My support from particle physiscs was ''slightly'' different than my quote.

Fermi stated ''if I could rememeber the names of those partcles I would

have been a botanist''.

But my promblem is to explain how it is  possible to get support from

particle physics but not from ''our own Dover'? I think to have found the 

reason. As we all know he owns the best everiting in collectors sense:

the best TT's, the best tonearms, the best amps, the best SUT, etc.

the best. But my insult made by  impliction of my insinuation was that

he OWNS A CART with ''deviant cantilever''. Can you imagine such thing

by one perfectionist? But I only needed help for those damn screws on

both sides of the generator, I have pretty good idea what they are for

but am not sure. Even If I was willing to destroy one of my own carts

I have no idea how to do this. Those are smal metal tubes while i own two left 

hands. So the cheapest and most smart thing to do was to ask our second

authority regarding the knowledge of analog everything. But alas the

damage done can't be restored.

 

 

 

 

@nanadric even though replies from myself are repetitive and prolix, they are are not offered with a intention to be viewed as coming from somebody who styling themselves with a usage of language that is grandiloquent.

As for the lexical content of the OP, you have stated the following, it by myself, is being viewed as a means to describe a condition you have witnessed, and one which has been created as the outcome of your experiment. 

"My observation however is that also ''deviant'' cantilevers which

nobody would buy look STRAIGHT IN DE GROOVE. Ergo:: (using ergo with a replacement word, to assist with seeing the final statement being put )

Therefore :: it is the groove which determine cantilevet/stylus position .?"

The idea being proposed, to my interpretation, negates the notion, that there are interfaces between parts in the assembly that require critical attention to the setting up, which are required to ensure the cantilever>Styli is optimised in their position and the act as a constraint, ensuring the Cantilever is restricted to function within a operational envelope. 

What the statement does seemingly attempt to suggest, is that if a Cantilever is noticeably out, as a sideways alignment, as a result of the Styli being placed in the the Groove, the observation of the return to a Centre position is a acceptable method to correct this condition. If all one wants, is to observe a centred cantilever, then this is for most with this as the interest is adequate. 

In general the centred cantilever is not all one wants, there is the want for an overall correct function of the assembly that is designed and belonging to the model of Cart'.

The Groove being able to place the Cantilever as centred to the body, is not going to be enough for most with an interest in this as a functioning device, the outcome of your experiment will most likely not offer a reassurance a fix is in place. 

The Styli being placed in the Groove, in my thoughts, is not going to be adequate to correct any other conditions present, that may be with fault, and the askew Cantilever is the indicator something is amiss elsewhere.

My advice to 'anybody' with an interest in a Cart' and who are expecting the Cart'  to function to a standard that shares similarities with the Cart', at the time it was first put to use as a New Model. It will be best practice not to acquire a Cart' that has indicators present that suggest something is now quite different to how it appears as an unused design. 

If one has other ideas for the Cart' and have a different intention beyond just experiencing it used as a tool to create a replay. A Cart' can then be considered in any condition it has been discovered to possess.