ZYX "House" Sound


I am searching for a different sound in my system. I'm currently using the Shelter 901 MkIII and the Koetsu Rosewood Signature. I consider both to be on the warm side of neutral. I'd like to find a very good quality cartridge that is a bit more neutral. I don't want "clinical". I cannot cope with cymbals that sound like white noise with emphasis on the upper octaves. System is: MS DD-40 (2 tables), SUT using the Cimemag 1254 Tranny, Paragon Model E tube preamp (used as a phono pre) and Musical Surroundings Nova phono pre, Levinson control amp, Bryston 2.5B cubed power amp, Revel bookshelf speakers and HSU sub.

I've been seriously considering ZYX for my next cartridge. There are reviews of the top and bottom of the line ZYX cartridges, but little in between. I've contacted Mehran at Sorasound. Based on my budget, he suggested the Ultimate (Exceed) 4D or the Ultimate (Exceed) Omega.

Not many reviews for these mid-tier cartridges. Is anyone familiar with the sound of these cartridges? Does ZYX have a "house" sound? I'm not concerned by the naming confusion nor any of the other negative comments I've read. They're not constructive. I really want to understand where the ZYX cartridges fit in the cool to warm spectrum. There may be other brands to look at, and I'm doing that. This post is about the ZYX sound.

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I do use the resonance calculator. I always check before installing a cartridge. I have a number of headshells and weights, so I can tailor the mass to obtain resonant frequencies between 10 and 7 Hz. That is, if I know the arm's effective mass. I understand that this is not the only item that needs proper arm/cartridge matching.

I won't quibble about the arm/cartridge matching. I do think that the cartridge contributes much more than the arm does. I don't have any data, just a "feeling".

I don't use the DP-57L much because I don't like the arm's looks. A silly reason, but that's the one I've got. Perhaps I should mount the Koetsu or Shelter on it and listen. The adjustment of arm height is a bit of a pain.

@kevemaher : I can give you that tonearm characteristic but with all respect you need to make yur research that at the end it’s a learning and fun " trip ": the effective mass Technics tonearm is 12 grs.

Yes, the transducers are the more critical and important link in the audio system, I posted before in agreement with you. NO the tonearm can’t has the cartridge direct influence in the signature of what we are listening .

Good decision to test your cartridges in the Denon 57L that looks as really good TT/tonearm:

 

Denon DP-57L Servo-Controlled Direct-Drive Turntable Manual | Vinyl Engine

 

R.

 

 

Try Dynavector, I had an XXII before my Koetsu Rosewood Sihpgnature and it sounded like what you’re looking for. Mine was on a VPI. Good luck. 

@rauliruegas : Thanks for the discussion. I've learned a lot. I appreciate your patience with me. I am looking at the Technics SL-1200 G and GR. The prices are reasonable. Performance looks exemplary.

I come from a technical background - Optics, Electronics, Physics, so I take an analytical approach. Gotta have data to make a decision! I've learned here that I need to consider different, less technical means for evaluating my systems and components.

I will mount the Koetsu and the Shelter cartridges on the DP-57L, one at a time. And then give them a good listening evaluation.

I should figure out a way to quantify the table noise, especially wow and flutter. The wow and flutter test should be revealing.

Dear @kevemaher  : Good. In the other side and in this analog forum could be that medium and major knowledge level audiophiles are oriented for subjectivity opinions, not all maybe the 80% and in other internet forums even more.

 

Through my audio life I learned that to really enjoy at maxium my home system MUSIC experiences we  need  and is a mut rto have a good equilibrium between objectivity and subjectivity and through this equilibrium and step by step is how I  " manufactured " till today my room/system.

I know and is true that everything in audio can measures even if some special audio characterisrtic no one  intented to measure. Subjectivity could be measured too but way way complex to even intent it.

I belive in some of the system spec characteristics and as you know those system links ( almost any in the system chain. ) can or could be improved by each one of us and I did it with my system and I understand you did it and do it with yours.

There is no magic in audio and our target should be to achieve that equilibrium between objectivity/subjectivity to really enjoy our home audio experiences.

 

R.