ZYX "House" Sound


I am searching for a different sound in my system. I'm currently using the Shelter 901 MkIII and the Koetsu Rosewood Signature. I consider both to be on the warm side of neutral. I'd like to find a very good quality cartridge that is a bit more neutral. I don't want "clinical". I cannot cope with cymbals that sound like white noise with emphasis on the upper octaves. System is: MS DD-40 (2 tables), SUT using the Cimemag 1254 Tranny, Paragon Model E tube preamp (used as a phono pre) and Musical Surroundings Nova phono pre, Levinson control amp, Bryston 2.5B cubed power amp, Revel bookshelf speakers and HSU sub.

I've been seriously considering ZYX for my next cartridge. There are reviews of the top and bottom of the line ZYX cartridges, but little in between. I've contacted Mehran at Sorasound. Based on my budget, he suggested the Ultimate (Exceed) 4D or the Ultimate (Exceed) Omega.

Not many reviews for these mid-tier cartridges. Is anyone familiar with the sound of these cartridges? Does ZYX have a "house" sound? I'm not concerned by the naming confusion nor any of the other negative comments I've read. They're not constructive. I really want to understand where the ZYX cartridges fit in the cool to warm spectrum. There may be other brands to look at, and I'm doing that. This post is about the ZYX sound.

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Dear @kevemaher : This resonance frequency could help for your question after you made the automatic calculation:

Cartridge Resonance Evaluator - Vinyl Engine

 

Other Technics model is the next one that comes with what in theory is a better tonearm build material: magnesium and more " solid/damped " plynth ".

Direct Drive Turntable System SL-1200G-S (technics.com)

 

With both models could be need it to change the tonearm internal wiring and the headshell wires too.

 

Btw, " to be the primary influence on sound. The tonearm and turntable are secondary, and all the others have a very small influence "

Could be and yes transducers are " definitive " about. Before I posted that tonearm/cartridge is a " unit " and is a unit because all the cartridges during playing can pick up maybe the 80%-90% of the recorded MUSIC information but at the same time develops a lot of additional " resonances/distortions/feedback " that are transmited through the cartridge cantilever and then to the headshell/tonearm wand/tonearm bearing and so on that's why same Technics tonearm builded with magnesium material puts different " colorations/modulation " than an aluminum tonearm material.

You own the 57L and through your measures it measured similar to the DD40 even that manufacturer specs are way different. I posted before if you listen a " trouble " if any in the 57L that your prefer the DD40, till now you are " dead silence " about and is your privilege but could be " healthy " ig you can give an answer on that issue. Thank's in advance.

 

R.

I do use the resonance calculator. I always check before installing a cartridge. I have a number of headshells and weights, so I can tailor the mass to obtain resonant frequencies between 10 and 7 Hz. That is, if I know the arm's effective mass. I understand that this is not the only item that needs proper arm/cartridge matching.

I won't quibble about the arm/cartridge matching. I do think that the cartridge contributes much more than the arm does. I don't have any data, just a "feeling".

I don't use the DP-57L much because I don't like the arm's looks. A silly reason, but that's the one I've got. Perhaps I should mount the Koetsu or Shelter on it and listen. The adjustment of arm height is a bit of a pain.

@kevemaher : I can give you that tonearm characteristic but with all respect you need to make yur research that at the end it’s a learning and fun " trip ": the effective mass Technics tonearm is 12 grs.

Yes, the transducers are the more critical and important link in the audio system, I posted before in agreement with you. NO the tonearm can’t has the cartridge direct influence in the signature of what we are listening .

Good decision to test your cartridges in the Denon 57L that looks as really good TT/tonearm:

 

Denon DP-57L Servo-Controlled Direct-Drive Turntable Manual | Vinyl Engine

 

R.

 

 

Try Dynavector, I had an XXII before my Koetsu Rosewood Sihpgnature and it sounded like what you’re looking for. Mine was on a VPI. Good luck. 

@rauliruegas : Thanks for the discussion. I've learned a lot. I appreciate your patience with me. I am looking at the Technics SL-1200 G and GR. The prices are reasonable. Performance looks exemplary.

I come from a technical background - Optics, Electronics, Physics, so I take an analytical approach. Gotta have data to make a decision! I've learned here that I need to consider different, less technical means for evaluating my systems and components.

I will mount the Koetsu and the Shelter cartridges on the DP-57L, one at a time. And then give them a good listening evaluation.

I should figure out a way to quantify the table noise, especially wow and flutter. The wow and flutter test should be revealing.