OP,
Tergitol -s-7 is apparently only legally sold to research labs and industrial (non-medical) facilities, in the US. So we “consumers” can’t readily get it, if at all.
Is Ilford an acceptable substitute?
The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"
The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"
I am providing this formulation for all who are interested in the very best, and can be proven and demonstrated to be the "Very Best". It can easily be made from available ingredients. On the surface, it appears to be very simple. However, it is based on extensive complex chemistry along with precise mathematical calculations and verifiable data.
You may use it with absolute confidence and be truly assured that it is beyond doubt the "Very Best". You may use it for your personal needs. Or, archival entities may use it for their purposes with confidence. Or, you may choose to start an enterprise that makes and packages quantities as either a "ready-to-use" or a "Semi-concentrated" version for sale and distribution knowing that nothing better exists. You have my blessings and encouragement with one condition. And, that is, that the pricing represents a "fair margin", and, not an obscene gouging, typical for such products.
Initially, I had prepared a presentation that briefly introduced myself, and provided the thought processes, design parameters, and the necessary basics of chemistry, physics, and mathematics to assure you and allow you to be absolutely confident in this formulation. I made a considerable effort to keep it as simple, but, also as thorough enough to achieve this confidence. However, that presentation entailed 5,239 words, typical of such a requirement, however, unacceptable in length by this website forum.
I have no option other than to offer the formulation as a 100% parts by weight version suitable to produce 1 Kilogram of the cleaner, and, invite you to question me about any aspect of the formulation.
Professionally, I am a Chemist, more specifically a Polyurethane Chemist. I have a Doctorate in Chemistry as well as two other Doctorates and a M.B.A.. I held prominent positions in significant corporations before being encouraged to start our (wife and I) manufacturing facility servicing those I previously worked for. We started, owned, and fully operated this business. We eventually obtained 85+% Market Share in our sector in Medical, Automotive, Sporting Goods, and Footwear areas before retirement.
The Audio Industry is extremely technical and many brilliant minds have contributed their talents over the decades in order that we may enjoy music today as we choose. Like many other technical industries, those of lesser minds and values invade the arena with their "magical" inspired revelations and offer their "magical" ingredients and items to all at extremely high prices. They promise that if only we are willing to part with our money - they can provide these items to you that make your audio system sound as if the orchestra, or vocalist, is in your room with you. And, after all, "magical items" must be expensive, otherwise, they would not be "magical".
This disturbs me enormously, and, it is for such reasons, I feel compelled to provide realistic and truthful information that conforms to basic Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, and Mathematical Principals in those areas with which I am very knowledgeable and familiar.
"Ultimate Record Cleaner Solution"
Ingredient Amount by Weight (Grams)
Distilled Water 779.962
Ethyl Alcohol 220.000
Tergitol 15-S-7 (Dow Chemical) 0.038 (Approx. = 2 Drops)
1,000.000
Important and/or Relevant Criteria
1.) Distilled Water ONLY. Do not use deionized, tap, rain, or spring water. Distilled Water is readily available in most grocery stores. Check labeling to be certain that it is distilled and not deionized. The pricing is comparable.
2.) Ethanol must be purchased at a "Liquor Store" or a "Liquor Control Board" that is suitable for human consumption, and the appropriate taxes must be paid. This assures that the alcohol consists of only Ethyl Alcohol and water. You need to purchase the 95+% version, also known as 180+ Proof. NOTHING ELSE is acceptable. (100% Ethyl Alcohol is not available under "normal" circumstances). Denatured alcohol from a Hardware Store or elsewhere is PROHIBITED, as well as ANY other alcohols.
3.) Tergitol 15-S-7 is made by Dow and is available on the internet in small quantities from Laboratory Supply Houses such as Fisher and Advance, etc.. I have no affiliations with either Dow Chemical, or Fisher, or Advance. You MUST use Tergitol 15-S-7 ONLY. No other Tergitol product is acceptable for this designed formula, and you need to acquire the undiluted form only.
4.) The above cleaner formula will result in a non-foaming (VLF) Surfactant Formulation that exhibits the following:
Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter @ 20 C. (68.0 F.)
Surface Tension of 28.2 dynes/centimeter @ 25 C. (77.0 F.)
5.). A Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter is Remarkable and will properly clean records of all organic soilings, and all oily substances, as well as very significant amounts of inorganic soilings. This available Surface Tension coupled with the Azeotropic Characteristics of very rapid evaporation and spotless drying occur because of the selection of Ethyl Alcohol and the very specific concentration determined as 22.00% p.b.w., further improves the products abilities. The "Ease-of-Use" and "Spot-Free" results are to be accepted.
6.). Be aware that an "ideal temperature of use" also exists for this formulation. And, that reasonable temperature is 40 C. (104.0 F.). Further increases in temperature offers no improvement, therefore, confirming the proper use of the term "ideal". I mention this not because of of any substantial improvement, but, only to be aware of its’ existence. And, if you have a choice to utilize a room that is warmer than another, select the warmer room closer to 104.0 F. There is no need to elevate the temperature of the records or the materials. Simply be aware that 104.0 F. Is ideal.
If interest is expressed in this submission, I am willing to provide additional submissions regarding other materials, and, other areas of interest. Such as"Best Contact Substance", "Best lubricants for turntables", " Better Dampening Materials" for turntables and tonearms, and, most significantly, "Best" material for "Turntable Platter/Vinyl Record Interface" usually called "Record Mats". The last item will certainly disturb many individuals and anger many suppliers.
Whatever I may contribute is substantiated by Science and Testing, and Verifiable. Science has no Opinions. Opinions in these matters are best reserved for those who rely on their imagination and wishful thinking.
Also, I have no vested interests in this Industry. Simply possess some scientific knowledge that also relates to some aspects of the Audio Area, and I am willing to share that information if requested!
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Yeah!, Yeah!, Yeah! My intention were to lay some matters to rest and to avoid any more entries as your present one. This intent was to eliminate these matters, because they do not belong here. Dogberry, do not be offended, but, I was not even thinking about you or your post when I presented my case to put an end to these posts. Yes, I read your post, but my objective was to address @whart who was the person who initiated these deviations at the onset. And, then to his Cheerleaders who were trying to compete with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders, who are also officially nicknamed "America's Sweethearts", and to chime in with their comments. I wanted to get my message across to Whart and his Cheerleaders, that their remarks are unrelated to the Primary Subject Matter for which this site was created. And, then you proceed to continue on with this unrelated matter yet again, and, incorrectly I must add, rather then agreeing that this nonsense need to end in order that people that may have real serious questions are not reluctant to post their questions. I have put off, and, I feel very sorry that I have, @mijostyn in order that I may clear up this unwarranted clutter. Would you please agree with me to stop such posts - Please? However, I also find it necessary to correct your post in order that others may get the impression that you are correct. Recall the words of my original post about facts and truths. I can not allow errors to continue. I have forsaken 506 years of an established loyalty to make myself perfectly clear. But, as someone has previously stated, I am "only someone behind a forum handle who has no meaning or significance". You attempted to correct me. I suggest to avoid doing that in any future posts, it would only be futile. You had stated "by the way, the "Ch. is not latin, but French "chirurgerie"". Seriously! I ask you Seriously!? Colleges established in ENGLAND in 1249, and in 1264, and in 1517, and so on to even 1929. French! Do you have no comprehension the relationships between England and France over the Centuries. Have you forgotten all your History lessons. Baccalaureus in Medicina et in Chirurgia. Does not sound French to me. Chirurgiae Baccalaureus. Does not sound French to me either. Ch=Chirurgie, which is latin for surgery! Get it! - Latin, not French! Every time I sit down to eat, sometimes even at a McDonald's, I can not help but hear the following in my head: "Nos miseri et egentes homines pro hoc cibo, quem in alimonium corporis nostri sanctificatum es largitus, ut eo recte utamur, Tibi, Deus omnipotens, Pater caelestis, reverenter gratias agimus; simul obsecrantes, ut cibum angelorum, panem verum caelestem, Dei Verbum aeternum, Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum, nobis impertiaris, ut Eo mens nostra pascatur". It is embedded deep in my memories. Also, at times when I begin to write something, it crosses my mind that I must write "Dominos Regit Me" before I even begin to write the date. Oh! I should have mentioned that those words that I had written are in Latin not French. I still can not get over your remark that the Ch. is French. It will take some time to clear that one out of my head, but I guess I should take this as an opportunity to remind others, not to submit something in writing on this post unless you are absolutely certain of what you are saying. I will you again to agree with me to stop such posts?
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@bdp24 @lewm @whart @pindac @cleeds CC: @mijostyn On 10 June 2023 at 12:04 AM, someone posted that ( and, I paraphrase ) "he will no longer waste any more time with me ( Wizzzard ) and suggested that I do the same".
On 10 June 2023 at 9:25 AM, the very same day and within just 9 hours and 21 minutes, I responded to that individual who had made the initial post. My response ( again, I paraphrase ) "thanking him for asking me not to waste any more time communicating with him". And my response to him was very "short and sweet", and, I had hoped , very clear as well. And, that response was, and I now Quote, " I won’t ".
For those that may have noticed, I kept my promise, and, I never addressed him again. Unfortunately, my forum site continues to be"contaminated" with his additional postings, violating his own self-imposed commitment. Whatever compelled him to continue to post is still in force, and continues to compel him to submit additional post to this very day. And this compulsion is significant. He continued to post an additional 1,462 words.
On 11 June 2023 at 10:26 AM, this individual bid his "farewell to all", as it was now likely to be his last post ( yet again ), on this forum. He bid his Farewell again, and in closing "that all take care and stay well".
Nevertheless, the same forces and powers that had overtaken his previously, had obviously returned, and forced him to contribute an additional three posts compromised of an additional 318 words, and even posting an unrequested chart, and additional links to other unrelated materials.
I do wish that he overcomes the forces that compel him to continue to post and abide by his own initial statement at the onset that - "he will no longer waste any more of his time on this site".
To all those reading this, the word number calculation was done by an Adobe program, and was calculated by the computer and not by me personally. Although the number of words corresponds well to what was stated. I can only apologize for any minor discrepancies because I have no intention to waste any time to review and correlate the info.
I ask this individual to please adapt to his own statements and commitments.
To all others, I apologize, though I have no control of what is, and, what is not posted. But, I obviously must have struck a nerve in this individual that he has lost all self-control, and, for that, I must take some responsibility, even if it is superficial and insignificant.
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