Can a system sound too Holographic?

«My friend goes with my girl but he returned her back because she was too orgasmic » -- Groucho Marx uncensored 🤓

Holographic is a balance ratio between "sound source " volume dimensions and localization and listener envelopment factor... ASW/LV

There is no such thing as a too much amount of holography.. ( But a soundfield can be wrongly and badly distorted in the room yes by lack of holograpical control ) Why ?

Because in acoustic experience , some ratio must be optimized , when the acoustic conditions are set right in a small room, this ratio become optimal it cannot AT THE END be too much or not enough ... The sound sources can be experienced almost as point or tiny surfaces and the soundfield can be outside the listener body completely... This is not holography...

We can have imaging differentiation AND fIxed soundstage dimensions without holography... ( With holography, the soundstage vary in dimensions with the recording choices in each album in a good acoustic or with a good headphone but as most room most headphone are not good  ) This is why most reviewers in non dedicated room recognize only two aspects of the soundfield in their review , the imaging and almost fixed soundstaging and miss the holography.. Any ideal soundfield exhibit three aspects not two... I did not pick up this in a book by the way, i created it in my room reading acoustic articles to set my experiments and created my devices......

Those who dont bother about holography never experience it fully ... Sorry... But yes timbre set right is mandatory and the first thing to create... But once timbre experience is there as relatively natural, to experience immersiveness we need an optimal ratio between sound sources dimensions and localizations for holographical experience..

The objective perfect way to experience it, without be bother by acoustic problems very difficult to solve right is NOW simple : we must buy a Dr. Choueri virtual acoustic room program or dac with his BACCH filters... This is way more perfect than my homemade experiments and it is a plug and play device ... it takes me 2 years full time to do it and only to some extent ... Now i lost my room..

Happily my headphone give me an astounding soundfield but it is another story...( i cannot afford the Dr Choueri filters system for now and anyway i am happy as it is )

By the way saying that holography may distract the listener from the music is like saying that a great acoustic hall for an orchestra distract us from listening the orchestra... That does not make sense...

« My wife loves me too much, that distract me from his body»-- Groucho Marx uncensored  🤓

ghdprentice, Your distinguishing the difference between 'wall of sound' and holography, is interesting and rarely made. Makes me think about how classical orchestral music presents itself live that clearly distinguishes itself from recorded. With that type of music I think I would prefer the wall of sound, but not so much with small forces, solos, vocals etc in which I prefer specificity. Perhaps your observation underlays why many seem to reject 'holography' i.e. specificity of images, in large orchestral/classical(?) music. Works for me! :-)

Very interesting distinction i never even thought about...

Thanks for putting it ghdprentice...

"Wall of sound" is for me the definition of hell...

Holography is heaven... 🤓

The main difference is the decibels level and in one case silence and relaxing sound at normal ; in the other case body rape loudness and agression with premature tinnitus and deafness... For sure i put it in an extreme way but....

Rock concert are not designed acoustically  as small music concert hall ...

Did i understand well ?

The concept of "wall of sound" was created by Phil Spector...

It sold a lot of tickets and impairment hearing aids 30 years later......😁😊

But true holography may engulf the listener in sound too with sound sources near him or behind the speakers or around the listener... It is recording dependant... But not with intense dynamic and over the board bass pressure rushing to the listener from the speakers in front of him...

But true holography in a small room is very difficult to create...With headphone it is very difficult too because no crosstalk and there is not acoustical control of the shell in most headphones..

One of the most incredible system I have ever heard was a Wilson Bamm or Wham or something like that / Rowland. The system was set up perfectly. Images were precise and sounded spherical suspended in the sound stage… one 12’ forward 3’ above the floor at 10 o’clock, another 5’ above the floor and 6’ at 2 o’clock… like that. It was the most incredible experience I ever had. I came away just blown away, saying… “That is the most incredible thing I have ever heard… I do not want that… but that is incredible.

 

So, yes.

 

Some folks want to be engulfed in sound… enfolded, or have a wall wash over them. Holographic imaging does not do that to them. So, yes again. You’ll see some dynamic speakers system six feet high with tons of midrange and woofers. Typically those are designed for more of a wall of sound and less for holographic sound.