Can a system sound too Holographic?


Hi friends :)

So I got a question for those interested. For me, having a 2 channel system with a Holographic soundstage is very desirable.

I bring this up because I had lent some Centerstage 2 footers ( isolation devices) to a friend to try out. To make a long story short, he likes what they are doing under his Lumin T3, however he mentioned that it might be "Too Holographic". I don't know about you guys and gals, but that wouldn't really be a problem for me. Your thoughts or experiences please. Anyone experience a soundstage that was too Holographic?

aniwolfe

I have never heard of those footers and have to wonder if the post is a plug. I fail to see how footers under a streamer can create such a change to the extent of holography with no other changes to the system. 

But let's for the sake of argument accept the premise that it did. As much as I disdain the idea that there is an "absolute sound", I have never heard holography at a live show including live shows of acoustic jazz trios. With certain recordings I have experienced holographic imaging with my old standmounts. I think for example of Joe Henry's "Scar" and the first track "Richard Pryor Addresses a Tearful Nation". Properly set up, a decent system will create the sensation of holographic imaging with a recording that has that information successfully recorded and embedded into it. 

For those of you who equated the OP's question to "can you have too much money" and such, you are reacting with your brain, imho, and not from your heart and out of experience. In the real world it is not natural and would soon prove distracting. If it is the artist's and producer's intent, it can be enjoyable. If it is not, it becomes an unnatural parlor trick and distraction. 

I doubt very much that there is a system on Earth, without digital processing, that is holographic with all recordings. Without processing, it has to be embedded in the recording or it can not happen. 

Imaging differentiation of the sound sources is not the holographic volume distribution of each sound source and the soundstaging three dimensions vary and are not fixed, the holographic perception is recording dependant and is related to the abilities of the speakers in a acoustically controlled room to give the best recording specific translation..The speakers design must be good to begin with... but it is not enough... At least with normal AVERAGE speakers under 5,000 bucks... With very costly speakers i never experimented ...The MBL seens able to give holography with minimal acoustic control...With my average but good speakers Mission Cyrus, holographical expeerience was possible only after a complete control of my room... Impossible in a living room... Probably the MBL speakers made it possible in a living room optimally organized with no heavy acoustic devices and treatment by the virtue of his specific omnidirectional design... bUt it cost at least 100,000 bucks... 😁😊 It would be for sure more clear and more detailed than my Mission Cyrus vintage paid 50 bucks..,.

For sure PERFECT holography exist with virtual room acoustic with Dr. Choueri BACCH filters... Read about it to understand WHY this is so...here too it is not a trick which will distract you from music at all... Many people think that way because they had never experience holography really...

Holography is not A PARLOUR trick, but an acoustically controlled phenomenan by a set of acoustic ratio for each different room... Digital processing can do it but because i never bought a good digital processing system i dont know...The DIGITAL PROCESSING of dr. Choeri BACCH filters will not degraded timbre experience and will gove holographical translation of each recording as it is set ...it is not a trick, choueri is a classical music lover and a physicist acoustician... He dont sell tricks..

My experience was with acoustic control of the room with Helmholtz resonators grid and "sound lensing from the speakers" with foldable screen and the right balance in reflective waves and direct one and the right balance of absortion/diffusion reflection ratio... i also use distributed tuned resonators to improve mechanically by some mechanical crossfeed between speakers helping the localization around the room... But if the recording process is bad no speakers/room can improve it only making it more interesting and less disgusting soundwise... But even with the best recording in the world if the relation between speakers and room is not optimal, there will be very poor holography...

Holography is not a trick it is an acoustic phenomena studied in acoustic laboratory .. Studied with electronical and/or mechanical parameters too....

fsonicsmith1

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I have never heard of those footers and have to wonder if the post is a plug.

that was my first thought as well…

IMO, No such thing as too holographic if all components are leveled matched.

The only time I find something my system is too holographic is when I upgrade to a next level component which then reveals the weakness of the other components in the chain. 

Then it's "too holographic". Once I level match the chain, the balance is returned and the new found transparency only reveals more in the music and not the limitations (cable, dac, amp, etc.).