Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

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@hilde45 

FYI, I posted my review of the Ascend speakers at ASR and some dismissed it because there were no measurements. Very discriminatory against my approach. But others on the site jumped in to defend me, even though it was not measurement based. So, there are a variety of people at ASR, I found.

Thank you for your reply to my inquiry. You find value via the ASR site and I respect that. It doesn't work for me but obviously we're all different. I'm glad that you can find worthwhile utilization with their format.

Best wishes to you.

Charles

Amir has not changed my mind about anything for several reasons.

1. Have always used measurements as a starting point only.  Amir provides numerous measurements, a good thing, but not the full and complete picture.

2. Amir claims he relies on settled science and follows a scientific process. He is making measurements by following a process.  However, a true scientific process involves identifying, managing, and documenting many more factors and conditions than Amir ever considers.  We are talking about an Audio Hobby, so going full blown science is not required.  Which would be just fine if Amir did not promote himself so vigorously as an authority with all the "correct" answers.

3.  Amir promotes "cheap" but well measuring equipment as performing just as well as costlier well measuring equipment.  Again, OK on its face if presented as a value proposition.  Not OK when buyers that prefer to spend more for performance, quality, and reliability are labeled as audiofools, or worse.  Not a winning strategy to change opinions.

I think he made me realize how unimportant measurements are. For one thing, I own the Magnepan LRSs. Somehow they sound great while measuring poorly. For another, those cheap DACs that measure great, are not, I found out.  Same thing with phono stages.  I love science but literally all that matters is how it sounds.

And as others said above, it shows how tribal and biased humans can be, among other things. It might be better as a study in human psychology.

Biases are not only mere impediments, except when we must control them for the sake of objective measurements and other science or engineering goals...

Biases are at the same time the source of our motivation and the expression of our motivation...

Many people dont seems to understand that, biases are COMPLEX phenomenon...As Placebos are...And Placebos are not only mere deception or illusions, but phenomenon that must be controlled for example in drugs trials... But doctors and mothers USE them positively... If not they are incompetent doctors and not much loving mothers...In the same way we can use our hearing biases positively in acoustic if we are conscious of them to begin with and play with them in listenings experiments ...

Electronical measurements are no more the optimal road to explain and describe audio qualities than subjective listenings...

It is incredible that people cannot understand that we must LEARN HOW TO LISTEN... And the only way is through acoustic experiments not by changing gear...

If it was the case people owning 50 heaphones and 50 amplifiers and 50 dac will be listening experts , but they are not... They simply know more about branded name products as salesman ...

it seems people enjoy too much disagreeing to understand why subjectivist and objectivist miss the main point about audio experience and this for exactly  the same reason...Their focus is on the gear ...

I wrote that knowing that tomorrow people will make the same preposterous arguments pitting subjectivist against objectivist, like the egg big end groupie against the small end groupie In Gulliver travels...

«The sound source qualities did not exist before the act of conscious hearing because the qualities related to the sound source, for example the ripeness of a fruit observed by tapping on it cannot exist and be perceived if we do not LEARN how to listen to the fruits on a table market...We must learn HOW TO LISTEN »-- Anonymus Acoustician

«All men must learn the hard way how to listen to their non binary partner or to their wife »-- Groucho Marx 🤓