Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?


It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro

fittebd said, 

The only thing Amir changed my mind on is to never visit the site again.  Not because I do not believe in measurements the site is pure hate.  If you don’t like what we say its attack and even take posts down.  That is not vey open.  I do not want to visit nor give it any clicks towards money.  Period

Wow!  This is exactly my view!  I started off with an open mind about the site and that was extinguished.  Folks get nasty over there. They are evangelists for sure.  So rigid, closed minded, and essentially a feedback loop. 

My opinion, above, does not affect my opinion on the usefulness of measurements in general or in design.  

The problem with Amir is not that he's always wrong, it's that his site and his views are always right--in the mind of the evangelists.  That's no way going to be part of my audio journey. 

fredapplegate said

Ironically, I think ASR changed my mind about the importance of measurements as an arbiter of good sound. It seems that we've reached a point where distortion products are so vanishingly small that even bad measurements don't mean much.

Genius Fred!  I believe David Manley once said that 1% THD in a tube amp is meaningless--amps can sound good or bad with that level.  Now that we are in the territory of .00000X% THD, we are in the land of silly.  Amir's tests show us what sounds great to his test equipment--not the human ear.

 

The problem is not Amir dedication, it is as someone just said above some"evangelists" attitude and character ... Stupid people and opinionated one exist in subjectivist crowd too not only with objectivist despising audiophiles...

I did not understand why people are so focussed on one aspect of audio forgetting the other...

Psycho-acoustic is the heart of audio, here subjective hearing is correlated with objective acoustic disposition .... Nothing else is...Not branded name, not price tag, not electrical measurements, PSYCHO-ACOUSTIC is the heart ... Learn its basic  or be fooled... It is the ONLY thing i learned in audio... The rest is secondary details in electrical, mechanical and acoustical embeddings of the system ...

Post that testing, people gained general knowledge about the issues here and they will spread the word. This is why ASR is a team effort. Members enable testing of a ton of gear. Measurements provide very reliable facts. And knowledge gets discussed and disseminated.

Any followers measurements done on samples of one, alligator clip leads, and un calibrated measuring devices, for a start.

Remember, hundreds of gear gets measured every year on ASR. With very, very rare exceptions, no manufacturer has disputed them! 

How many other reviewers measurements or opinions are disputed by manufacturers?  No disputes can easily be interpreted that manufacturers simply don't care.

As a corollary to above, no audio reviewer’s work gets scrutinized remotely like mine. I publish a new review almost every day, subjecting my testing and opinion to verification/rejection by industry and membership at large. ASR would have thrived if the work we were doing was bad as you claim.

Your work is scrutinized partially because you relish in promoting superior knowledge, e.g. "I am the smartest person in the room".  You also relish in accusing others of not knowing what they are doing.  Post your data, let it stand on its own, no need to engage in arguments to prove you are right.  Unfortunately, that behavior would not generate publicity for ASR.  

The major reason for scrutiny and criticism is an issue you refuse to acknowledge or take any responsibility for, the hostile and snarky tone of too many of your followers.  Dozens of times arrogant followers accuse others of being too stupid to ask questions, e.g. "read this list of publications or technical papers before returning".  

Your long replies, like many at ASR, are full of self promotion deflection.  Again, let your work stand on its own merits.  It is valuable.  All the ASR self created drama is NOT.  He doth protest too much.

 

They send me equipment, I test and publish them.  We then collectively discuss the findings.  Certain truths pop out of this process.  That truth resonates with so many audiophiles who are desperate for reliable facts about audio gear.  This is the appeal.

All the best,
Nonoise