Weak Link in Vinyl Playback


Hi Everyone,

I’m looking for some input on a weak link in my system, mostly in regards to my vinyl playback chain in a 12’x11’ room.

I currently have a Technics SL-1700 MK1 with an AT-VM95ML cartridge. The turntable is connected to an iFi Zen Phono. The phono is connected to a Schiit Saga S via 3 ft. Blue Jeans BJC LC-1 cable, and the Saga runs to a single Schiit Vidar by the another set of the same cable. The Vidar is connected to Elac Debut B6.2’s via 10 ft. Belden 50000UE cable (as an aside, my digital path is Pro Ject S2 Pre Box Digital connected by the same 3ft. interconnects to the Saga>Vidar>speakers). I’ve connected a sub previously (a Martin Logan Grotto I that I inherited) to the Saga in the past, but am currently running without it.

My concern is that while the digital path sounds full to me, at least as much as can be expected, the vinyl path sounds a bit thin and weak. I guess I’d describe it as kind of lacking energy. My gut tells me the Saga S having 0 gain in both the passive and buffer mode (I run it in passive mode because it sounds more lifelike to me but I’ve used the buffer in the past as well) is the reason for this, but I’m not positive. I’m ready to upgrade to the Freya S if that’s the solution, but I didn’t want to start throwing money at a problem without really narrowing it down first. The Zen phono is set to MM and gain 1, which should be correct for my cartridge, the interconnects aren’t overly long (the speaker cable being 10’ isn’t too big a deal, I think?), the Vidar should be driving my inefficient speakers with no issue and judging by the digital path, it is. 

I’m hoping someone here can weigh in on what would make the biggest positive impact in my listening and give me the oomph I think I’m missing. For what it’s worth, I plan on doing some room treatment down the road, but that’s not what I’m looking for advice on at the moment.


Thanks!

owl9113

@owl9113 Sorry, I thought I picked up somewhere that it was stated that your cartridge output was 2mV. Yes using your preamp in active mode for vinyl should help. 

@nlitworld Thanks for the product links - I actually have an alignment block already that I used. I am going to pick up that scale.

 

So with the phono level set to 2 and the preamp in active mode, vinyl playback will give me about the same decibel level as digital with the preamp in passive mode.

I thought a few posts back it was determined that I should be "good" with gain level 1 and my cartridge because it’s greater than 2 hah...aye aye aye. It’s markedly better sounding to me - maybe what help most is a phono stage that I can tailor to my cartridge more as far as load and gain. With gain level 2 set currently, I'm only at about 1 o'clock on the Saga, and it feels like it would be uncomfortable maxed out.

OP's equipment

A few clarifications for others:

1. his TT has an S arm with removable headshell

2. his cartridge has an output signal of 3.5 mv   

PS I don't think this matters, so much that I forgot when I was describing my setup, but my turntable is sitting on the AT605 feet, so there isn't much if any travel in the platter.

@nlitworld I like the ‘Tonearm VTA & Cartridge Azimuth Alignment Ruler Headshell Alignment Block’ you linked. Prime Day (July 11-12) is coming up, I think I might be adding a tool to my chest.