Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?


It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro

Do you undertand what is the time domain ?

Do you understand that hearing is related to the long history of decoding natural sounds meanings then hearing works in a non symmetrical time dimension and non linearly at all ?

Amir never answered about that and about the 4 physicist i summoned all saying the same things..

Then i am here to discuss...Why did you claim i am not for discussion ?

who else here proposed 4 articles for the discussion ?

Where are Amir psycho-acoustic science backing his claim about hearing experience not so valuable as gear measuring tools ?

You are so naive to believe posting a tool analysis of an amplifier is a proof in psycho-acoustic and an answer to my 4 articles ?

Answering my point in psycho-acoustic by proposing chart analysis of amplifiers or cables is NOT AN ANSWER...

Before judging my posts have you read the 4 articles?

What means for you the fact that human hearing beat the fourier uncertainty? say to me what this means please ?

i wait...

 

By the way you said i lack comprehension about Amir...

Sorry but i thank him about the measures information about the gear...

I cannot accept his stance about hearing experience to be replaced by the listenings methods he proposed based on his gear measuring methods and then the bashing of any OTHER hearing experience...

Perhaps you did not understand the points discussed in these articles? the human hearing limits are not those Amir claim they are...

What did they said these articles ? Try yourself to understand BEFORE JUDGING ME ...

You are patently not. I’ve followed your discussion with Amir. And while you make some interesting points, your rush to express your opinion betrays your interest in trying to comprehend what Amir is saying. So, instead you badger him for answers to questions he has adequately answered more than once.

Are you able to read this : ( why amir did not answered about this article physicist ?

I discuss here, not him ,because he refused to answer about fact... The ears dont work as his measuring gear tools... And nobody can predict how an amplifier will sound only with measures of some specs...

This physicist is Dr. Hans R.E. van Maanen, His hobbies are listening to music (mostly classical), developing high-end audio systems

«Although the Fourier theory has been well established since the second half of the 19th century,it is surprising that so little attention is given nowadays to the conditions, required to apply the linear theory. It has been applied unreluctantly to electronics and human hearing, even though neither fulfill either of these requirements. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the results are inconsistent with listening experiences. »

https://www.temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/FourierConditions.pdf

 

«The effects in time domain of non-linear behaviour in combination with memory effects could explain why e.g. amplifiers with similar properties regarding frequency response and distortion
levels, sound different. It is to be expected that ten (10) different designs will produce ten different responses to music signals and thus receive a different perceptual qualification.
»

that so many on here are so hostile to measurements is very strange to me, but I understand that sometimes defending our own perceptions is more important especially if we have big $$ invested... and I also am well aware that one can argue that our perceptions ARE our own personal reality, so...

it is also very strange that people complain about hostility on Amir’s site and yet are so hostile on THIS site.

sigh.

@curtdr This thread exists and in such a prolific form for a reason. I am not entirely sure why but there is a lot of history there. If Amir would just answer some basic questions, people wouldnt be so frustrated, including myself. 

"Amir, you kicked me off your "Audio Science" forum for being "too objective", because I insisted only valid listening tests mattered, not "SINAD" and "ETC" many of your cult worship. "

As your language here quite demonstrates, we banned you from ASR due to being the most obnoxious person I know on these forums.  Heaven knows how many people you have alienated from audio science with your hostile posting and attitude which conveying next to no knowledge. 

The above, and refusal to practice anything you preach to subjectivists was the reason we let you go.  When I asked you for blind tests of your speakers, your tap dance would have earned you a seat at Julliard.  Here is quick example:

 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-do-listeners-prefer-for-small-room-acoustics.286/post-9179

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amirm said:

Last I checked you [AJ/soundfield] don't do any blind acoustic tests either.

[AJ/Soundfiled:] For what conflicts with what objective evidence exactly Amir? What am I to blind test for specifically? Red Herrings?

As if that were not enough, you have now turned into speaker salesman looking to protect your pocketbook by appease to this membership. In a thread where people are attacking audio science, blind testing, engineering, etc. you are not only completely silent, but rather have a fight with me.  I say your transition to subjectivity is complete.  Thank heavens as we don't remotely want someone this miserable in our camp.

I once asked JJ (my chief audio architect and one of audio luminaries) about people like you.  He made this wise statement: "an unreasonable advocate is worst of both worlds!"