Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

When I hear what is pleasing to me, I could not care less about your “measurements” or your elitist, self indulgent, and frankly insulting  “ difficult to do it (hear things) properly” bs.

Your kind of hearing test is easy.  The kind that generates reliable data about the sound can be difficult at times.  Other times though, it is trivial to do.  But folks don't want to be bothered to know the reality of what they hear.  They prefer to stay in the illusion. I get it.  It is the Matrix movie all over again.

Would love to see what @soundfield has to say about that last post. Wow is all I can say. Forget making love to a sine wave, you guys need to box it out in the ring. Though I think it's safe to say AJ would handily win. 

I don't get this exclusionary mentality. It does seem to introduce bias to say a speaker measures this way and therefore can proceed with a listening test. in my opinion Amir, shouldn't you do the measurements, not look at the results, do a blind listening test against some other speaker and then determine the conclusion based on that? Seeing the speaker, looking at the results all introduces your thoughts which are clearly heavily weighted towards science good / feeling bad.

Anytime a review includes not just the numbers but the reviewers opinions based on using the product that is always best. Stereophile does that, though I do think that inexpensive products that measure well undermine their business model so there is that. ASR does seem to fill a valuable niche in that regard. People could save a lot of money if the numbers are not lying. The Fosi amps available on Amazon I mentioned above are a very good example of that in my experience.

@amir_asr again just shows his true passive aggressive, elitist, god complex self.

what is “my kind”?

Amir keeps on posting that graph on trained vs. untrained listeners. What is a trained listener...someone who has passed the Harmon test, and who now believes he/she can tell what a musical sound sounds like, better than the ’unwashed’ masses. 

Harman offers that training tool for anyone who cares to use it.  I highly encourage you to at least try it before opining this way.  Until then, let me explain what it is.

You are presented with music that has an EQ applied to it.  You get to tell what that filtering is.  It starts easy with very wide band filters but progressively gets narrower and hence more difficult.  With practice, your hearing acuity for tonal errors improves and with it, reliable ability to determine colorations in speakers.

Importantly, the test has nothing to do with "harman" or any speaker or technology.  It is a pure test of whether you can tell what coloration a speaker imparts -- precisely what we want to determine in such tests.

FYI, after just limited amount of training using above software, I attended a gathering at Harman of top acousticians.  Dr. Olive took us to their listening room and played the training test.  Everyone got to level 2 or 3 but from there, they became silent as they could no longer detect the differences.  I went to level 5 and 6 to shock of everyone there.  Before you think I am gloating, Dr. Olive sailed way past me with incredible ease!  Here is a picture of him at the meeting doing this:

You can faintly see the image of the training software on the screen. 

Some things need proper training.  You can't be self-thought in everything especially when you have not passed any test to determine what you really know.  The reviewers got tested.  They didn't know what they were doing.