Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

@amir_asr : my last comment on this thread as I realized (after being told privately by a couple of people here) that I am simply providing you an opportunity for more of your propaganda. On this you said:

No one is trying to take out the subjectivity from audio. The entire science of speaker and headphone testing relies on it extensively. Problem with using the ear in evaluating things is that it can be difficult to do it properly. So what to do? Give up and let any and all anecdotes rule the world? No.

Two conflicting statements in one single paragraph: keep the subjectivity in audio, but then intervene so that very subjectivity (I.e anecdotes) does not “rule the world”. Hmmm….

It’s not so much about what you do in your site, which has clearly value, but it’s your (and your followers’) campaign in all audio forums to shut down every subjective discussion (such a hobbyist simply sharing their listening impressions with each other, on anything audio related). Basically, my (read: Amir’s) way or the highway. It is clear to me you have some kind of urge to fight every single subjective discussion anywhere in the internet, audio forums. The very fact of you posting extensively here in Audiogon , on this thread, while you own the most popular audio site in the world (according to you). You are indeed on a mission, and like all good missionaries throughout history, you need to go places, to spread the word, convert the heretics

It doesn’t make sense to me that someone who bases everything on numbers and metrics would have any need to censure others armed mainly with words.

Unless  there is bad behavior involved. That needs to be addressed in all cases, though increasingly these days it is not.

Forum rules should cover what constitutes bad behavior. If not that is an omission and should be fixed.

In contrast, garage show operations like yours will make a crude gated measurement or two and call it the day.  

Great, then you shouldn't avoid at all costs a controlled listening text vs your speakers at PAF 2024 correct?

Two conflicting statements in one single paragraph: keep the subjectivity in audio, but then intervene so that very subjectivity (I.e anecdotes) does not “rule the world”. Hmmm….

Subjectivity can 100% rule the audio world!  Have every manufacturer with claims of audio superiority provide controlled listening tests where only the ear is involved and I will retire from what I am doing and get more gardening done.

What you want is different: you want the self-serving views of a designer be the arbiter of what is right and good instead of relying on the ears of a few of your fellow audiophiles in a controlled test.  I just can't join you in that nor can huge swath of the audiophile community.

We want unbiased results and data.  Why is this so hard to understand?

It’s not so much about what you do in your site, which has clearly value, but it’s your (and your followers’) campaign in all audio forums to shut down every subjective discussion (such a hobbyist simply sharing their listening impressions with each other, on anything audio related).

Those shut down requests have been repeated made regarding my posts here. I am not seeing you react negatively towards those.

But yes, there are some people who are extremist in both camp. As I have explained and show, @soundfield is one of them. They give our cause a bad new and I am sure the same is true of some in your camp.

We need to get beyond that and judge the here and now. I am fielding a ton of hostility from a number of posters in this thread and others like it. Which I can take as you can well see. But you can’t complain in this context why some objectivists do this and that.  Both camps need to stick to what they can demonstrate as proof and value add as opposed to angry responses.