- he posts scientific information
- got a bad review scientifically
- Scientifically it was in the top 10 and all the reviews
Anyone who listens to something and reports on it is doing it....scientifically.
All the best,
Nonoise
Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
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That’s right. My Revel Salon 2s have excellent measurements and perform just as well in controlled listening tests. This sharply increases others liking them. John Atkinson at his talk at RMAF was asked what was his favorite speaker after testing and listening to 750 of them. His answer? Revel Salon 2: https://youtu.be/j77VKw9Kx6U He says: "I wept before I had to send them back." Of course, they have to perform given how expensive they are. Against this landscape, you want to just jump into a ring and compete. I suggest while you are waiting a year for PAF audio show that you 1. Send your speaker with a $2,000 check to Workwyn folks to properly measure your speaker. Listen to their feedback and correct errors they find. For a bit more money, they can even test your drivers using laser Interferometer and such. 2. Build the turntable or shuffler to handle large and heavy speakers. My speakers weigh 120 pounds each. It is non trivial to swap it against other speakers which I assume are just as heavy. We have a member who uses an engineering friend to build him one for bookshelf speakers. You can contact and chat with him on challenges he faced. 3. Perform such blind tests yourself. Don’t just use yourself as a listener. Invite a few local audiophiles and put them through the test. Put in a control (really bad speaker) to weed out listeners who clearly can’t tell the good from bad. Once you do these things -- which any speaker designer must do -- then I say you are ready to put people through a public blind test. For that, you don’t need me. Just have visitors go through it and collect the data across the population. Again, put the control in there to make sure people know what they are doing. But really, the show is not the educational part. All the other stuff before that is what you need to do. An Olympic swimmer doesn’t become a champion if he just waited for the Olympics to come. You need to put in the work before. |
I have 2 that handle 330lbs and have done such testing for a while, both mono and stereo. You can't know any of this ensconced inside your little kingdom. You only need to concern yourself about one thing, taking a controlled listening test in public. PAF 2024 |
It is for "nothing." Actually less than nothing. There is no business plan that would support what I am doing. I just bought a $22,000 dummy load to emulate reactive loads for speaker testing. You know how many donations it would take just to get that money back? You didn't see me going and getting sponsorships from companies to do that as others do. Members expressed interest in more tests, I agreed and wrote the check -- in a declining economy no less where our investments are worth much less than a year ago. When someone sends me gear to test it, I almost always pay to ship it back. By your logic, I should keep coughing that up out of my pocket so I can't be accused of doing something for money. And let's say I didn't ask for donations. Which one of the arguments in this thread would go away? Answer is none. Complainers will complain. Fact is that your fellow audiophiles are the ones suggested that I accept donations. I thought about it and I agreed it would help expand the work, allowing me to test things that I would not otherwise test. If you think this is a money making venture, why don't you make an offer to buy it from me? Remember, you would have to buy all the gear, learn to use them and produce near daily reviews. And come to a place here to defend your work and personal reputation. I would love to hand this off to someone else and go and enjoy my other hobbies. |
So no measurements are in our future? Nor any documented case of above shuffler being used? Your only interest is to duke it out with me at a show? Is that right? |
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