Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

I am sorry mapman you miss the points...

Ideology here means: someone who use tools to measure, which is a good thing , no one refuse information; but when this person impose his measures out of any Interpretation context, and here the context to interpret measures is not only the behaviour of well designed material components but their relation to sounds qualities, this is the domain of hearing theory...Or psycho-acoustic... No objectivist or subjectivist exist in psycho-acoustic sorry only experiments protocols about hearing...

Imposing a limited set of measures to replace hearing theories and perceived sound qualities when the measuring context ( Fourier linear and time independant tool with a  frequencies based hearing theory ) is put under the rug is technological ideology contradicting psycho-acoustic facts : Human hearing work in a non linear way in the time dependant domain constrained by his evolutive history with speech and musical produced sounds and natural sounds QUALITATIVE perception ..

you did not read my posts... 😊 You did not pass the exam...

I know my posts they are too long and with too much articles...😊

Second, I really do not detect an ideology other than Amir is only interested in facts not opinions.

You explain it better than me for everyone...

Thanks.. 😊

“Insects have been measured to be superior to cattle for human consumption. If you don’t eat the Insects, it is because you have not “trained your palette ” to like what measures best. So your “opinion” of what is pleasing to your palette is not only vulgar, but dismissed. You are obviously nothing more than a plebe”

 

just the facts. That seems to be Amir

@mapman "technology is the key to good sound" is overreaching.  Class D is innovative tech.  Measures well.  Not the best sound to all.  Neve 1073 style microphone pre amps (transformer/class A) are very old tech, still preferred by many top music makers.  
 

Truth is there are times when a brilliant equipment designer will choose something that measures worse because it sounds better.  That is taste.  Listening skill.  Listening always trumps measuring for the truly intelligent.  
 

How do we measure a great piece of music?  A great recording ?  Can't be done.   Relying on measuring comes from fear of trusting ourselves.  It's missing the whole point of music making and music listening.  
 

Science is one means towards an end.  Not an end in itself.  I love science.  It's not the authority here however.  

@decooney what is the "disinformation" you speak of ?  
 

No one can dispute a well made measurement.  The issue it's validity.  

You are right for sure...

It is way more deeper if we speak about sounds and music though ...

No measurements win the race because of its validity ALONE...

The measurements must be evaluated in their CONTEXT of application and in their LIMITED bounds of application.. Thats my point discussing hearing theories and what means linear measures for a non linear Ears/brain , and what means out of the design process , measured numbers of material designs which are interpreted in a time independant way for a time dependant unrelated qualitative phenomenon ..

Amir said: no need for that, trust the tools and forget your ears save for a blind test...

Acuity in hearings for him is not recognizing nuances in soprano voice expression here, for him it is only hertz and decibels... Then the Amir ears are untrained by non amplified classical or persian or Indian or African or Chinese or japan music... he trained his ears with studio and computers... He call that training ears in resolution and acuity ... He dont know that even in perception the ears/brain to perceive something as meaningful and not only as audible noise in background  must have the different experience of different  musical contexts because without concepts we dont perceive things in a qualitative way  ...

We reduce them to hertz and decibels... We are then NOT EVEN WRONG... Amir is not even wrong because he miss the question to begin with... He gives an answer to a question he never ask,...

What is technology in relation to science ?

it is answers for question we never asked... or it is a possible new question for an answer we never imagined.. 😊

An example : Mankind discovered fire by accident... It was an answer for a question about cooking we never asked for...

No one can dispute a well made measurement. The issue it’s validity.