Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?


It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro

@mahgister 

Amir fallacy :

Among all subjective qualities perceived the more objective one is transparency ...

Transparency in the audiophile vocabulary does not have the same definition than for a software engineer though...

---For an audiophile transparency means that the audio system let the acoustic trade-off choices of the recording engineer to be heard optimally as they were intended..

How do you know what they intended?  You don't even know who that is, or what they heard or experienced.  So any argument on that basis is moot.

The only thing you have in your hand is the recording.  That is our "big bang."  Everything past that is unseeable.  Such is the world of audio without standards.

Fortunately, when put in a controlled test where only the ear is involved, most of us agree on what good sound is when listening to a number of speakers.  We compare them to each other and realize which one sounds more "real" to us, even though we have no real concept of well, real. 

So even in something as fuzzy as speakers and human perception, we have a way to select equipment that is performant based on real research.  You know, the type that actually tests to see what speaker we like, not what a research paper says when testing humans with special tones.  

The only rational strategy is to build a neutral system that can be provably so.  Then modify it to tase using equalization.  It is not complicated.  You want to please your ears?  Do it right.

Sticking wood blocks under your speaker cables won't do it.  Thinking a power condition lowers the noise floor when it doesn't, won't do it.  Thinking a more expensive DAC sounds great while a cheap one being "crap" won't do it.  None of this is based on realties of engineering that goes into operation of your audio gear.

We all thank Amir for his measures verifying market sellers specs...

We dont buy the procustean testing by blind test and rejection of subjectivity as the basis of audio...

I prefer to train in acoustic my subjective ears/brain filters instead of calling them myself "delusions"... It would be like calling his wife a necessary hardship...

Amir pass acuity test and he is proud, i tuned my room and i am proud... 😊 Guess which is the more useful and gratifying test?

Objectivist and subjectivist focus on GEAR... Not on acoustic and psycho-acoustic and that is the reason why they quarrel... We need our ears even more than the welcome measures of Amir... But Amir dont like it...

I tuned my room and he called me "deluded" for doing so...Because i dont measured all the process and publish it... Imagine the job ? it take me one year non stop to tune it by ears , imagine that i would have computed all , the only way to do it with 100 helmholtz resonators would have been to measure not only my room but my ears HRTF and inner ears canal ... i never intended to tune my room by ears ...I did it each day with each day small task, as an incremental play and learn...Not as a doctorate in acoustic of small room .. There is not many books about that, because there is no man with enough time to do it... Pro acoustician will design a dedicated room esthetically but think about 100,000 bucks... it is easier to kept all in the living room.. i could not... My wife love silence only... 😊 It was my luck too... i quit the living room...

I will never had the obligation to do it again to this extent, i will buy one day Choueri BACCH filters for my tremendous headphone ... But i am very lucky to had no money at the times , i learned a lot in the process without that i would have never catch immediately Amir fallacy about subjectivity and hearing theory... ...

I watched a few of Amir's videos. I was more interested in smelling my own finger.

You may or may not be able to measure what my finger smells like, but you can't tell me whether or not I like it.

 

 

@prof I don’t think I saw anyone say Amir was the only rude one. Amir continually points out why everyone else is wrong, but him. How is that possible? It’s not. From the first comment he made on this thread, it has been him telling everyone why they are wrong while avoiding any hard hitting questions. He then spams links to his website, and promotes himself all the while saying no forum allows that which is why he has to ban other people on his website who do what he does and shuts down threads. He then claims that this is because they are on YouTube and it needs to stay on Youtube. BS. He doesnt like the competition.

@soundfield pointed to two old posts Amir made one was about how he didnt level match here is the quote

I did not level match anything. However, once I found one source was worse than the other, I would then turn up the volume to counter any effect there. Indeed, doing so would close the gap some but it never changed the outcome. Note that the elevated level clearly made that source sound louder than the other. So the advantage was put on the losing side.

And the other was from his own companies website where he promotes at the time $50,000 per pair amplifiers which he still uses in his system. You can see it in the picture he posted in this very discussion.

He has not reviewed the very amp that is in his reference system as far as I can tell. He has not addressed any of the above. Why the change of heart? He claims to be this objective evangelist, but you dont get to claim that while ignoring a different story of the past.

The lack of accountability on his part is remarkable. I don’t run a website promoting data and objectivity when he consistently avoids the harder hitting questions and denies any other people of his ilk to talk about their methods on his website. Erin was banned.

@amir_asr How do you promote rigorous ABX testing when you admit you did not do that in the past? How do you not have numbers up for your current amp?

Did I hear Amir say that photons have "consciousness." Would this also apply to electrons?"