This e-mail has been cryogenically treated

but most people on this forum don’t believe in measurements, so there is that.

I believe in measurements, I don’t believe in people taking non-scientific approaches to measurements such as:

• Making claims that the current measurements are the end of all measurements
• Making claims about measurements and perception or desirability that are not actually proven or may be an individual preference.

Still, with as many tools as I have around this house to measure distance, temperature, humidity, speakers and electronics what I don’t have is anything that can prove to me if a cable is OCC or not or if it has been cryogenically treated or not.

@fredrik222 As a physicist I may have some experience with Data.  one of the first things a scientist has to figure out is the difference between good data and bad data.  you would benefit from improvement of this skill but is is generally difficult for laypeople.

@carlsbad2 oh so now suddenly you are a physicist believing in facts? Yeah, like I said, I am not interested in your imaginary world. 

@erik_squires very few people say that measurements are end all be all. I certainly do not. But it helps with a lot of things.

you need a serious microscope to see the crystals of copper, or silver, to see how it was cast and treated and the grade of metal. 

@erik_squires I’m pretty certain you know the answer is that nobody knows anything claimed about any product unless they can verify it themselves somehow. You are operating on pure trust otherwise. So be sure as always to do your homework and know who you are dealing with.

Personally, if I am paying a premium for something advertised I expect at least evidence and preferably proof. Esoteric and often expensive hifi tweaks are merely one very good example. High quality cosmetics is another that is very common. Always check the ingredients at minimum else all bets are off. Verification if tested somewhere is even better.

Companies marketing products often bank on the fact that consumers will take any claims made at face value and expect no proof or evidence. This is the norm. One can choose to be a smart consumer and maybe trust but verify but frankly most are not able to and don’t.

”A fool and his (or her) money……” always holds true.