Digital music questions


I'm somewhat new to hi res digital audio and I'm looking for some tips. I have been building my system and have purchased McIntosh c2700, which has a DAC built in, a 462 amp, and B&W 802d4s. Using Apple Music, I have been streaming music through a Macbook Pro via a USB cable to the DAC of the c2700 preamp.

The McIntosh preamp states the streaming quality is 44.1 kHz, which seem to be the low end of high-res streaming. I currently have so many subscriptions, including Sirius XM for the cars and Apple Music for my family, and more recently Nugs for concerts, (not to mention video subscriptions...seems it never ends), so I was hoping not to add another paid subscription.

That being said, am I leaving a lot on the table? Would a dedicated streamer sound a lot better than the Macbook Pro? Are there streamers without DACs, so I can use the McIntosh DAC without purchasing redundant equipment? I understand I cannot use Apple Music to get high res audio to the preamp, as they only provide it through Apple equipment at this time. Can I get a streamer that uses the DAC of the c2700 preamp? Finally, do I then need to add another subscription, such as Tidal or Qobuz, to get high res audio? 

Thanks....it's a lot of questions, but I'm sure someone here can help!

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That being said, am I leaving a lot on the table? 

Yes. See below.

Would a dedicated streamer sound a lot better than the Macbook Pro?

Yes. Most definitely.

Are there streamers without DACs, so I can use the McIntosh DAC without purchasing redundant equipment?

Yes. Plenty.

Can I get a streamer that uses the DAC of the c2700 preamp?

Yes. You will connect the streamer via a digital cable to the built in DAC in your preamp. Such as USB, S/PDIF, or AES / EBU. 

Finally, do I then need to add another subscription, such as Tidal or Qobuz, to get high res audio? 

Not necessarily. Apple Music (red book standard 44.1/16) is pretty good already (CD quality). You can take a free trial for Qobus or Tidal to determine whether they are any better for you and your tastes.

 

 

This is a great time in digital to be getting into high end audio..

First an overview. A streamer and a DAC are components like a preamp and amp. They both deserve the same consideration and investment levels. A Mac book or PC is a very inferior streamer. The best services are Qobuz (1), and Tidal (2)… most the rest are notably of lessor quality. These costs around $12/ month. Qobuz gives you access to well over a half a million high resolution albums and millions of CD quality albums. You need never purchase music again.

It is best for high end equipment to have a separate streamer box and DAC. Both strongly determine the sound quality. My rule of thumb is the reseach and buy the very best you can in both categories and it is likely a well balance system will end up with the cost of each component around the same, so streamer = DAC = preamp = amp.

Streamers (take a look at the Aurrender N200… for instance is an outstanding streamer). You plop it down and it will connect directly with Qobuz and you control it through an iPad. I highly recommend Aurender. They supply outstanding low end audiophile to the very best streamer on the market. I own one at each end.

The sound quality is primarily based on your equipment more so than the specific format (resolution). Recording variability will cause more difference than will the play back resolution in general. While there are exceptions. Over the last couple years I have listened to my streamers about 2,000 hours. I will frequently be surprised how good something sounds… I will think, “now that must be a high resolution recording”. I will look and it is only a red book CD quality… but a really good recording. The opposite occurs as well. So, the important thing is to work at getting a top quality streamer and DAC. They both matter.

 

A high quality streamer can be connected to the internet using a wall wart wifi extender. So you run an Ethernet cable to a nearby outlet where the extender is. Some folks go through elaborate exercises to “clean up” their whole internet signal… through fancy routers, power supplies, filtering devices. It is much easier just to buy a good quality streamer. It isolates the signal and output and provides a well timed signal for your DAC to use.

Thank you for the responses. ghdprentice, can you help me understand, if the MacBook is sending a digital file, comprised of bits (0s, 1s), why would the streamer make so much of a difference? Isn't the digital file the same regardless of the source? I'm trying to left brain this, it just isn't making sense the way there can be such a difference in speaker quality or amplifiers, for instance. Asking with all sincerity. Anyone else can chime in. Next question, dealing with a little sticker shock, is the Aurender N200 at $6300 really THAT much better than, say, a Bluesound?  

Fuzztone, can you let me know brands / models?

thyname, the issue with Apple Music (I love the interface), is that I understand you cannot stream hi-res unless it's through the apple produce, wired; ie not bluetooth, and there are incompatibilities that make it only cd-quality when going through, say a Bluesound or Sonos or other streamer.

Soix, not sure of budget, but don't really want to spend several thousand unless I'm really convinced of the superiority of it. That's why I'm posing the question above. I was hoping to be in the $1000 range, for instance, or maybe a little higher, but the Aurender N200 is quite costly!!