If you want lame advice DON'T do this!
Have you ever seen a member ask for advice about their system and don't understand why they need to make a change? Mistakes in this hobby are generally expensive. Does a list of components tell you how they sound together as a system? No Does a picture of a room tell you how the system sounds in the room? No. Think about the dollars that have been flushed away because the problem was the room and no matter what you stick in there or how much it cost it won't git er done. A flat in room frequency response is a starting point before changing anything. So, why don't more people post measurements when asking for advice? If you want lame advice DON'T post your system in your profile. If you want good advice post your system and a pic. If you want excellent advice include your in room FR measurements (which almost all modern receivers provide or REW can do for free).
Equally as important are time decay issues. +1, decay times should be .2 to .4 seconds. There is some good info on how to achieve that in this video at the :32 mark. The hard math they use to calculate it follows and the short cut (which I followed to the T) to get it right in your room is at the :43 mark: https://www.youtube.com/live/G0ekssXX7rE?feature=share
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Different people like different sound types, whether that be a rolled off top end, or a heavy mid response, etc... 100% true, the software I use has different response curves you can choose or design one of your own. I read a lot of good stuff about the "harman curve" yet it wasn’t what sounded best to my ears. I think this is coming it a bit high. I 100% agree, I did title this thread very in your face. The reason is the number of thread I see of people saying "my budget is $$$$ and I want to buy X." That’s it, no system posted, no pics, just "and I like ______ type of music." The next thing you know members here are firing off $$$$$ recommendations and I think that is a poor way to budget (throwing darts in a chat room). I think the way I summed it up is reasonable, the MORE info someone provides (including system, pics, and measurements), the better the advice.
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FWIW kota 1, I think most folks who go to the trouble of posting their systems are far less concerned with getting advice about their rooms/set/equipment as they are about establishing themselves as audiophiles and giving other viewers some understanding where they are coming from when they give advise. Expecting a novice to do what you would like to see in order to advise them is a bit beyond the pale. If he could come that prepared he probably wouldn't need your advice. A better, if not realistic perhaps, expectation is for 'advisors' not to attempt to answer questions without sufficient information for them to give a good answer (which many do!). |
I never asked for advices people here for my room passive and active controls... (Is the OP an acoustician specialized in small room ? 😊) Why? Because small room acoustic is more complex than even great Hall acoustic... No general RECIPE will do and successfully accomodate your ears with the audio system and the room... I never explained all i did in my acoustic dedicated room anyway , because it was too complex and too " mad" to be understood by average people with no basic in acoustic...And it was not replicable in any other room exactly the same... And it was unesthetical because i used no-cost products...I used 100 Helmholtz resonators array all around me and the speakers, each one mechanically tuned, and homemade...And i used other non orthodox successful tools ( ionization and Schumann generators) .. Not just a mere passive treatment between Diffision/reflection/absorption in a balanced ratio as in some already complex but easy recipe ... When i posted images at the beginning i waited for the insults of all idiots... They came ... 😊 There is plenty of general recipe on the net for most people to use for the living room dimensions ...They will help not solve the acoustic problem completely but they will help a lot ... I dont recommend to anybody to listen to anyone FIRST but i recommend reading serious acoustic articles and creating their own set of experiments in their dedicated room or in their living room FIRST ... For fun, learning is more fun than buying... For most it will be living room and a general recipe and it will be enough ... For this there exist also acoustic articles on the net and computerized recipe ... But in a dedicated room as the one i created for me there is many aspects very different than a great Hall acoustic: In a great Hall you are in a collective acoustic experience with real musicians in a rectangle or in a spheric environment ... In a small dedicated room you accomodate the owners specific ears filters, the acoustic material content of the room , his complex geometry and specific topology, not only his dimensions, and you accomodate the speakers responses and the room response together for the specific ears filters of the owner... No recipe can do this... Here you must learn acoustic by experimenting with it... Or pay a professionnal acoustician 100,000 bucks for designing the room and it will be esthetical ..My room was a mad room.. My children were amazed and laughed but they listened and were very surprizingly pleased ... Anyway the most important part of an audio system is the room not the gear...That is basic... Then yes many people upgrade instead of paying attention to acoustic...OP is right here...But easy recipe is not enough to reach audio peak...Sorry... Acoustic of small room is very complex, most people cannot do it and anyway most of the times dont own a dedicated room anyway... As i said, in audiophile experience acoustic is the main road to go , not buying gear pieces... This cannot change anyway the fact that most people CANNOT DO IT ... If i was not retired i will have never go with acoustic experiments... it takes me a year, 7 day on 7 non stop for one year to learn how to do it to my satisfaction...And in fact it takes me longer...I dont count the multiple partial tryings... Anyway most people can be happy with a general acoustic recipe in a living room... I could not... Now i lost my room by fate... I go with headphones... It takes me 6 months to optimize one to rival my room... And i always disliked headphones... But i was lucky here ... Another story... |
Expecting a novice to do what you would like to see in order to advise them is a bit beyond the pale. Does that make it wrong? A microphone is $100 and REW is available for whatever you care to donate (or not). How much money and time will that noob save by having objective data to share? These is no downside to having the data.
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