The mistake armchair speaker snobs make too often


Recently read the comments, briefly, on the Stereophile review of a very interesting speaker. I say it’s interesting because the designers put together two brands I really like together: Mundorf and Scanspeak. I use the same brands in my living room and love the results.

Unfortunately, using off-the-shelf drivers, no matter how well performing, immediately gets arm chair speaker critics, who can’t actually build speakers themselves, and wouldn’t like it if they could, trying to evaluate the speaker based on parts.

First, these critics are 100% never actually going to make a pair of speakers. They only buy name brands. Next, they don’t get how expensive it is to run a retail business.

A speaker maker has to sell a pair of speakers for at least 10x what the drivers cost. I’m sorry but the math of getting a speaker out the door, and getting a retailer to make space for it, plus service overhead, yada yada, means you simply cannot sell a speaker for parts cost. Same for everything on earth.

The last mistake, and this is a doozy, is that the same critics who insist on only custom, in-house drivers, are paying for even cheaper drivers!

I hope you are all sitting down, but big speaker brand names who make their drivers 100% in house sell the speakers for 20x or more of the actual driver cost.

Why do these same speaker snobs keep their mouth shut about name brands but try to take apart small time, efficient builders? Because they can.  The biggest advantage that in-house drivers gives you is that the riff raft ( this is a joke on an old A'gon post which misspelled riff raff) stays silent.  If you are sitting there pricing speakers out on parts cost, shut up and build something, then go sell it.

erik_squires

Hmmm, let me think of a few manufacturers who have the technical clout to R&D/build drivers completely from scratch in-house.....Pioneer/TAD, Yamaha, Sony, Technics, Elac, etc..They would still never charge a 100k, but, if they ask me for a 100k for their engineering clout, i’ll pay it.

Now, let me think of the deadweights (self proclaimed geniuses) who will just buy a driver from somebody else, drop it in a glossy li’l box, drop a few smt components on a board (crossover, wow! it must be more complicated than airplane design, must be worth more than a F150 raptor or a Tesla model X !) and still want a 100k. In his head, he really thinks he deserves a 100k!!!?!!...Oh, you know who they all are...Some you you even paid that doofus the full amount without taking several zeros off the price tag....lol

 

Hmmm, let me think of a few manufacturers who have the technical clout to R&D/build drivers completely from scratch in-house...

Paradigm, I had a driver break and sent it back to the factory, they just re-coned it.

@deep_333 You can add Revival Audio to that list. They design and make all drivers (their entire speaker actually) in house in France, at a very reasonable price.

All the best,
Nonoise

The last mistake, and this is a doozy, is that the same critics who insist on only custom, in-house drivers, are paying for even cheaper drivers!

Makes me think of the argument made by some who’re actually involved in the making of bundled, active speakers, and how they stress that all the innards here are intricately matched. As it is though "matching" also comes down to amp downscaling because the rationale says there’s no need to use 3x200W actively for a woofer, midrange and tweeter when you can get by with 200, 100 and 50W respectively, which also conveniently cuts down cost. Sometimes there’s even a combo of Class A/B and D, but is 3x200W necessarily less of a match with 3 similar amp channels and overall topology other than (possible) excess wattages? And what if you had 3 externally configured amps of your own choice instead of built-in, cheaper variants, not to mention DAC’s? "Matching" can be a dubiously applied term, but implementation is indeed king, and active as configured externally/outwardly can be a playground of vast experimentation and great results from any segment, manufacturer, size, cost or whatever one chooses.

ATC btw. seems to be one of the exceptions to any general observation about custom, in-house drivers that are considered el cheapo, because they’re anything but. Very good amps too. And Mundorf AMT’s are certainly great in the HF region with the wider (i.e.: taller) versions also picking up on sensitivity, but actively configured with high eff. horns it’s less of, if any issue (I prefer a point source from the lower mids on up, but that’s just me).

"I’ve not measured the SS tweets, but the Mundorf AMTs have vanishing low distortion, energy storage and amazing dynamic range and much more forgiving of accidental overload than the average tweet."

My current speakers (FinkTeam KIM) employ custom Mundorf AMTs, and I certainly haven't ever heard a better tweeter, and over ~40 years in the game.