@kota1 I don’t disagree with you at all. The sound cloud would of course help and the center speaker would be great also. What you just dont seem to take into consideration is that everyone’s system is designed by them for them and their intended use or familes use. Your ideas are great for someone who wants the same thing as you but not so great for others. I could have a dedicated sound room and an Atmos system if I wanted one, but my intent with my system is to integrate it into our daily lives. Its a family room ,and as such its where all thing’s family take place and most of the time there is music involved. TV,s not even connected to the music system at all , theres a modest sound bar mounted underneath. Everythings thought out for us , and so as is the way with one size fits all things ,compromise is necessary. Im not trying to be a Richard but seems to me that there’s gotta be boards out there where the members have interests more in line with yours. I’ve only been a member and posting here for a few years even though Id snoop around sometimes before that, but I always thought Agon was just a for dinosaurs old school two channel forum, of course I could be mistaken and apologize if so.Your ideas are great I’m sure for people interested in exactly the same things you are, and this dinosaurs not interested in the consumer electronics industries latest iteration of Qudraphonic, did that already back in the late 70,s btw.