Do NOT Blow Your Entire Budget on Two Channel Audio


Yes, two channel audio is here, and is not going away. However, object based audio is delightful, widely available on Tidal and Apple Music, and should be in the listening room of every music lover on the planet, not just "audiophiles. If you plan to be a music fan a year from now start building your object based audio system today. You will need:

1) A receiver/processor capable of Dolby Atmos.

2) A subscription to Tidal or Apple music.

3) A Firestick, ATV, or Nvidia Shield.

4) A minimum of 7 timber matched speakers and a subwoofer.

Once you experienced stereo would you ever go back to only mono? No, you would build a system capable of either mono or stereo. Now that object based audio has arrived do the same thing. Build a system capable of mono, stereo, AND object based audio. When Elton John heard Rocket Man in an object based format for the first time why did he demand to convert his entire catalog to Atmos? If you don’t know, then you need to go listen to Rocket Man in a good Atmos setup ASAP.

So, take your budget, DIVERSIFY, and get a good Atmos capable receiver or processor. Object based audio is NOT last decades surround sound or home theater. It is for MUSIC first, if you need a recommendation on how to allocate your budget feel free to post a question. Most importantly, you don’t NEED two systems, one for music and one for movies. A good object based audio system can play two channel music just fine. A two channel system on the other hand can’t play object based audio without a proper processor or receiver.

Greg Penny talks mixing Rocket Man in Atmos.

https://youtu.be/ggzfcUKDqdo?feature=shared

 

kota1

@dsnyder0cnn

First, thanks for contributing to this thread and you hit on a lot of interesting points.

Most hi-fi enthusiasts struggle to get 2-channel systems really dialed in.

It is a "kaizen" experience, a continuous pursuit of perfection until you hit "good enough". One of the things I learned in this thread is for a lot of members, the stereo is preferred even over live music.

Allocating virtually any budget across two channels will result in better sound quality than twelve

See the first comment of yours above in italics., it almost makes it insurmountable, if two channels are a struggle twelve would be almost impossible. I agree and that takes it back to why I started this thread, how do you allocate budget so you can play the file of choice from your streaming service. Fortunately Dolby has standards that are easy to follow, I have a thread here that discusses setup in detail.

I’ve seen zero evidence that most artists are adopting object-based audio.

Well their are plenty of engineers posting about mixing (see youtube), plenty of studios posting about converting to Atmos (see mixonline) and as for content just pull it up on tidal, apple, or amazon music, its HUGE and growing every month. As for your point about the financial side of it I have a four letter reply, AAPL. When the elephant in the room buys into spatial audio do you want to just ignore it if you are a content producer? I posted a video in this thread by producer Steve Wilson who discusses this.

I want to be supportive; however, I sincerely hope that all of the various object-based solutions for music will die as fast as they arrived.

Point taken, better that even a good format goes away before you sink a ton of dough into it. Some people were bummed their $10K turntables were out of style in 1995, that turned around though right? The reason I took the risk is because unlike SACD or DVD-A I already had access to tons of content (that I liked, unlike SACD) and it was included without a markup, so I said, why not? Now, I already had a 9.1 HT so it was a chip shot, new processor and I added more speakers gradually. If I got an incremental cost effective improvement I kept going. Now I just smile a lot and hit my happy place.

And don’t get me started on Dolby Atmos for headphones and soundbars.

You know who turned me on to the headphones, a member here who I really respect. All because of a thread like this, you never know.

I think my real issue with multi channel music is the preamp. You are stuck with a home theater receiver or so super expensive processor (trinnov, etc). 
 

what are people using as a front end? My experience with surround processor as preamps for music is not positive. Not terrible but not amazing either.

Oh crap I spent all my money on a 2 channel system already! What to do? Keep listening I guess. ☺

what are people using as a front end?

If you look at the sales numbers receivers are the most popular in general.

The next higher tier would be separate processors with XLR outputs. If you want to fold a two channel preamp into a multi-channel system there are preamps with a home theater pass through feature. The benefits of a processor over a lot of two channel preamps is the room correction and easy integration of a subwoofer. The benefit of a two channel preamp over a processor is a direct signal path and reduced noise from the HDMI/video card. I budgeted $2K for a Marantz processor and $2K for a flagship DAC/preamp. My active speakers have toggle switches between the XLR balanced input (processor) and RCA input (preamp) so I used a "balanced" approach and it worked out fine. I could have easily dropped $5K on a processor and left out a dedicated 2 channel preamp/dac but I liked the $2K processor a lot so I just added the two channel preamp/DAC.

If I were shopping today I would get this Marantz processor at the $2K sale price and drop another $2K on a 2CH preamp/dac with HT pass through.

You can always spend more than the budget I suggested above but you get the idea, it's more or less balanced between a 2 CH pre and HT processor. If you are more of a two channel guy tilt it that way, immersive guy tilt that way. If you are a one box guy look at this receiver.

The new Sony receiver has been getting rave reviews and if I were getting a receiver for immersive audio would likely choose it. Here is a video about the Sony demo at a recent audio show:

https://youtu.be/pcyBHD2feIw?feature=shared