Would you choose 1 ou 2 subwoofers for a stereo set?


Would you choose 1 bigger sub or 2 smaller ones?

For a living room 6 x 8 meters (speakers on the smaller side). (3.5meters high)

Mcintosh MA9000 + BW802 D3

I listen mostly to digital audio (DAC / Streamer)

Looking into 1 JL Audio 13" or 2 JL Audio 10"
 

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@mijostyn Wrote:

  I do think once you get beyond 18" the cone becomes more difficult to control and pistonic motion can be lost.

I don't think it's the size of the cone that's the big issue. I think it's the spider, the length of the voice coil and a careful choice of suspension elements, that helps prevent the pistonic motion loss in woofers. FWIW, I have 15'' and 18'' woofers from the same manufacturer in my two channel stereo system and the only difference between the two woofers is the 18'' has higher horsepower, longer voice coil length and higher efficiency. Both woofers exhibit no dynamic offset. 😎 See below:

Woofer dynamic offset is a problem long known about but seldom discussed or treated. With high input power at low frequencies, many woofers tend to shift their mean displacement forward or backward until the coil is nearly out of the gap. This is most likely to happen just above each low frequency impedance peak of a system. The result is a high level of second harmonic distortion and subjectively a bass character that loses its tightness at high acoustical output levels [4]. The cure for offset, as shown by T, H. Wiik [6], is a restoring spring force that increases in stiffness at high displacement in an amount that counterbalances the reduced B field at the extremes of voice coil travel. Such a nonlinear spider will in fact reduce distortion and eliminate the tendency to offset.

(4) M. R. Gander, "Moving-Coil Loudspeaker Topology as an Indicator of Linear Excursion Capability," J. Audio Eng..Soc., vol. 29, pp 10-26 (Jan./Feb. 1981).

(6) T. ti. Wiik, "Transient Distortion Caused by Nonlinearities in Driving Force and Suspension of a Loudspeaker," Presented at the S6th Convention of the Audio Eng. Soc., Preprint No. 1205 (C-6), _lareh 1977).

One issue is certain, the distance a driver has to move is directly proportional to the amount of distortion the driver produces.  The smaller driver has to move farther to produce the same volume producing more distortion. 

True! 

Mike

@markalarsen 

The new DEQX units which will be along shortly are insanely more user friendly and considerably more expensive. They will not require an expert to set up. Their build quality has gone up significantly. The Pre 8 has a 4 way crossover with 8 DAC channels! It will retail for $10,995.00. 

@ditusa 

I watched a 21" driver under a strobe doing a snake dance at relatively small excursions. A good 18" driver should be OK. The problem is the size of the enclosure needed to house the thing. I would like to be able to see my screen!

As others have said, absolutely go with two.  Your room isn’t all that big, and two E110s will be more than sufficient as they go down to 23Hz -3dB.  If it was me I’d get two Rhythmic F12Gs as you can get two for just a little more than one E110, and the F12G goes down to 14Hz.  Either way, two good subs are better than one bigger one especially for music.  Just my $0.02 FWIW. 

@gladmo: NoRez is a great product. Since I built sealed enclosures for the Rythmik 15" kit, I braced the Hell out of them: 1.5" x 1.5" Baltic Birch ply braces (doubled pieces of 0.75" x 1.5") every 6" inches, in all three planes: front-to-back, left-to-right, top-to-bottom. The braces take up a lot of internal volume, so the boxes ended up being rather large (for 15" subs): 24" tall and deep, 18" wide. When you do that NoRez is not necessary.

Danny Richie recommends NoRez for even his GR Research open baffle subs and loudspeakers, on the large unsupported (structurally) panels.

I use two but I have used a distributed bass array of four placed asymmetrically within the room which eliminated all the rooms standing wave bass modes and provided immediate sense of timing or room loading.

I've since manage a similar but not as total effect with two bass mode carefully positioned subs.

JL Audio makes a potent high quality product. Personally I found their F113 automatic / frequency only optimization lacking the flexibility of added  manual adjustability. This Youtube shows the Quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ10cQ9O2L8

 

FYI, since REL are -6dB "Sub-Bass Systems" their frequency rolloff begins so early they usually don't excite a rooms standing wave bass modes allowing for greater flexibility of positioning at the cost of actual subwoofer extra low frequency presentation. Claims of superior musicality are purely subjective.