To be honest, I have not put down any amplifiers. IMO I have not heard one that floats my boat or any of the people I know. BTW - I have not sold one piece of gear to anyone on Audiogon. Sorry if I came across this way to you. I only post my experiences and offer to invite anyone to came an listen to our various systems. It is a learning experience for us always. We enjoy meeting new people and hearing new things. We offer our help and offer to repair and upgrade any component for people who need that type of service. Not sure what others have "added" to this thread either. BUT if I came across the wrong way to anyone, then I apologize for that. That is never my intention. OK Ric?