Golden Ears?


Elsewhere I have discussed by recent audiology results.  To summarize I have a fairly severe high frequency loss and have ordered hearing aids.  I was not surprised as for years I have had problems understanding people in loud environments such as crowded restaurants.

  I asked the audiologist how this would affect music appreciation and she said basically that bass and midrange would be relatively well preserved but treble loss would occur.  I tried to console myself with the knowledge that my speakers are considered “bright “ so I was probably ok.  The day after the test I was at a wind band concert that featured a lot of percussion.  One piece very prominently featured a triangle, with the player being spotlight on the stage and whacking the thing with great fervor, and I’m sitting in the third row and didn’t hear the instrument at all.  
  Listening to music, I still seem to be able to distinguish between levels of piano and forte, to be able to appreciate the overtones of brass and string instruments.  I have to acknowledge that while oboe and clarinet seem relatively unimpeded, solo flute has sounded comparatively muffled.  Piano, my favorite instrument and one with lots of treble, still sounds ok, but I must be missing a lot there. 
  So all that is under discussion in a different thread, and I summarized it for those who may want to participate in this thread but haven’t seem the previous.  My point of this thread is is to ask an uncomfortable question.  Given that most of us here are contemporaries, and have spent a lot of time listening to music, I know that I am not alone with this deficit .  A while ago there was a thread demanding that people post pictures of their systems.  The tone of the thread was that people who did not do so must have substandard systems and therefore were somehow unqualified to venture opinions on all audio matters.  While I was one of the naysayers who found this assumption dubious (I posted my system anyway), doesn’t it make more sense to require people to post their audiograms?  After all, what good is owning a million dollar system if the sensory organs to which they feed the information cannot adequately process it?  Or does this not matter, and if so, why not?

  

mahler123

@yoyoyaya 

that is a consoling thought, and as I suspect many of us are in the same boat, it is a popular sentiment here.  As with many things audio, it is a subjective opinion that cannot be proven or disproved.  Still, I have to believe that one can only sustain before the critical listening facility has permanently been altered.  Hopefully I’m not there yet

+1 mikelavigne   I believe the capability of a system to be extended and articulate in frequency impacts ton the lower registers. A trickle down that works.

Hey, I am 74 and have learned to fool myself at times.

Just a few more comments on this thread, some of which have been touched on before.  There tends to be an assumption that age related hearing loss is about losing top end - which it is - but not exclusively. It also involves losing midrange in the 2-4k region.

There is significant information in high frequencies, especially in perceiving air and space, but most musically significant information is below 10kHz - which includes the fundamentals of all acoustic musical instruments and most of their significant harmonics.

That is partly why standard audiograms don't measure above 8kHz

So midrange hearing loss is far more problematic than loss of top end.

LOL, soon each member would need to carry a "system card" and a "hearing card" before allowing to opine. Then I'm sure somebody will be pushing an electrical or sound engineering degree requirement! 😄