Mastering legend Bernie Grundman explains why the measurement crowd has it all wrong!

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/what-means-embeddings-control

I already make a thread about my own experience ...

It is better to go there if you want to discuss it ...

Thanks ...

@mahgister : Hello. I am interested to hear more about what you are describing. In terms of using a room that is shared between “living”, and “listening”, what are your suggestions, or methods to get closer to the music with what you call “embedding”? Actually, maybe this should be another thread.

Excellent points as above. The question:   how well is Bernie's hearing?

Happy Listening!

If that is what he is saying then he is simply incorrect. Accuracy is objective and easy to measure. There’s nothing hidden in an audio signal that can be heard but not measured. If one prefers certain inaccuracies that is an inarguable subjective preference. 

Accuracy is objective and easy to measure.

Interesting. Does the measuring device hear the same as you or I do? Do you and I hear the same? What if you have lost some hearing and still think you hear accurately?

You can measure an audio signal accurately, but accuracy of the music cannot be measured. We can try to hear it and decide. It depends on what the listener perceives as accurate to them. And you are right about audio signal.

--First there is more than one set of measures : electrical, mechanical, and acoustical and neurophysiological in any psycho-acoustics experiments ...

--Second, accuracy in these different set of measures can be set at various levels in many experiments ...Quantitative accuracy must be CORRELATED here to subjective qualitative accuracy ( perception) ...

--Third "accuracy" in electrical and mechanical design must be correlated to hearing proper accuracy in psycho-acoustic varying parameters in a CYCLE of experiments which at the end will improve the " musical experience" for all listeners , nevermind their prefered blinders , be it an objectivist or a subjectivist blinders ,...

We hear with our ears/brain but we use electrical tools and design to optimize our experience guided by acoustics principles which always CORRELATE the perceiving subject with objective parameters in a controlled environment ( our dedicated room or a laboratory )..

It is astounding to see people lacking any psycho-acoustics concepts quarelling about subjectivity OR objectivity as children divided in two groups ...

Then the measurement crowd and the subjectivist crowd are wrong in the same way, by ignorance in acoustics concepts ... They focus on a common core : the gear and/or the electrical tool and they forgot acoustics concepts ...

My two cents...

You can measure an audio signal accurately, but accuracy of the music cannot be measured.

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