WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?


It seems like when I see comments on high end gear there is a lot of negativity. I have been an audiophile for the last 20 years. Honestly, if you know how to choose gear and match gear a lot of the high end gear is just better. When it comes to price people can charge what they want for what they create. If you don’t want it. Don’t pay for it. Look if you are blessed to afford the best bear and you can get it. It can be very sonically pleasing. Then do it. Now if you are also smart and knowledgeable you can get high end sound at mid-fi prices then do it. It’s the beauty of our our hobby. To build a system that competes with the better more expensive sounding systems out there. THOUGHTS?

calvinj

I am sure that you are not jealous, petty , narrow minded more than most of us anyway , and you are serious as we are ...

This does not means that all i did in my room incrementally had no value for me because i used simple blind test and not Double blind test with controllers ...

Insisting so much on double blind test mark you as an objectivist attacking subjectivist crowd here ...It is inescapable ...

Why not criticizing double blind test protocol as being impracticable in individual audio optimization with a specific system/room/ears ?

Accepted knowledge as you said dont bother itself with the difference a piece of shungite on an amplifier can do compared to a piece of quartz, does it means this experiment is preposterous because i did not wait for James Randi double blind test to perceive it ?

The actual state of science so extraordinary it appear technologically by the way is primitive compared to what we can foresee with a small imagination grounded in the last decades discoveries ...

Now read me right , i think sound qualities exist and are improved for perception by psycho-acoustics discoveries applied in audio ... This dont means that i cannot made my own experiment which will have a value for me not for all others ...

 

“You clearly said that double blind test is the only way to accept any hearing experience as valid...”

Not what I said. When done well they serve as objective evidence of real audible differences or lack there of. Sighted anecdotal evidence is simply unreliable and doesn’t work as evidence. Particularly when the anecdotes run contrary to accepted knowledge.

I don’t think anyone here is actually thinking about what I am saying. It looks like they are trying to force what I say into their safe stereotypes to protect their beliefs. The idea that there can even be an audiophile who has actually had extensive experience with “high end” tweaks, cables, amps etc. And is perusing state of the art audio regardless of price. And is genuinely committed to finding out what affects sound quality and what does not. And does not share their beliefs is just plain scary. My position can’t be written off as a lack of experience or jealousy or narrow mindedness.

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nothing scary scottwheel…your views have been expressed here by many, many times, for many years… you make some good points… though many of us have a different experience and point of view… its just very repetitive, and being so aggressive and publicly calling people you don’t know dicks sure doesn’t help. This is an old endless debate that has never changed anyone’s beliefs. We are all happy with our music systems so all is well. 

“being so aggressive and publicly calling people you don’t know dicks sure doesn’t help.”

Respect is a two way road. It was a response to a remark about having a brain injury. And I called that out as a dick move. It was a dick move. Honestly I don’t care. But manners will be met in kind. Good or bad. 

Nope. You started with using "dick" as an adverb on 11-30-23 @6:08pm and I asked if you hit your head recently on 12-01-23 @12:06 pm. I really didn’t wanna partake in this thread but your oh so holy attitude was getting too much for me to ignore.

No one owes you anything in the way of "proof" no matter how much sophistic effort you put into your flimsy premise that we have to be able to verify and repeat it for you to believe it. No one.

All the best,
Nonoise