Effects of concrete as base for subs, speakers and potentially equipment


Hello, 

 

I am looking for any advice and experience from those that have used concrete as stands, racks, isolation. I have a friend who makes functional art pieces from concrete, coloured and designed to your liking and I was thinking of having some pieces made up for my equipment. I currently have everything on wood, but would like something more pleasing on the eye. My room is well dampened with wood floors. I am after any experience that you might have experimenting with concrete.

subwoofer on concrete slab. Currently have a T9x with a downward throwing passive radiator on a suspended wooden floor.  It needs removing from the floor and I was looking at concrete slabs. 
 

speakers on concrete slabs. Zu union 6 supreme again on suspension floor. They have isolation feet but they could do with lifting higher. I am considering using concrete for this. 
 

finally the equipment. Amp, dac, streamer. Currently on a cheap wooden cupboard with chopping boards underneath. Any experience of electronics on concrete. 

mpoll1

If your friend is good with shapes, insets, etc. you have a few interesting options:

  • Concrete Mixture - Check with your friend whether he thinks that adding polystyrene balls (sometimes added for a lower unit weight) would help with damping and maybe reduce any ringing.  You can also consider adding a color conditioning admixture to achieve a certain look.
  • Mass Loading - You have the option of adding threaded embeds (or through-holes) so you could rigidly attach your speakers directly to the concrete bases, which would be a form of mass-loading similar to the effect of using Sound Anchor bases.
  • Stability - If the speakers were attached to the bases, not only would the added weight and lower center of gravity improve stability but you could further improve stability by extending the bases out beyond the speaker's footprint.
  • System Damping - With the speakers attached to the bases as described above you could then use decoupling type footers beneath the concrete base for optimum performance on a suspended wooden floor.  Individual springs or Townshend pods would be an interesting choice and if your friend could make insets in the bottom you could have the effect with only a small portion of the spring being visible.  Another option that I like is to use platinum silicone elastic footers, which basically operate as (elastomer) springs but are much easier to set up.  I have these under my 150 pound subs and these under my 180 pound monitors and stands.  They come in a range of sizes and support capacities so you can use them for virtually any size speaker or component.
  • Base Only - The easiest (and least interesting) option would be to simply set the bases on your floor and set the speakers on the bases using the speaker footers of your choice.  You may want to use one of Herbie's options (like Giant Fat Dots) between the bases and the floor or interestingly you could use a sheet of something like Owens Corning Acoustic Board between the concrete mass and the floor.  It comes in one or two-inch thicknesses.  BTW, I believe the well-regarded AV RoomService EVP damping supports may be made from Owens Corning 703 (for the medium) and 705 (for the hard), either of which could also be considered beneath your concrete bases (you could cut the boards the same size as the bases and paint the edges of the yellow fiberglass material as desired), or you could simply buy some EVPs.
  • Equipment rack or slabs.  No reason not to use concrete bases under equipment or use concrete somehow as an equipment rack.  I would probably decouple components from the concrete using one of the methods described above.

Good luck - post some pictures.

After the excellent suggestions of

 
 

 

 

Concrete or any other material that resonates very little is a good choice.  If you can tap on it and hear little in return, it's probably a good choice.  Concrete is a great option, but as with anything, there are different grades/ mixtures.  Higherfi Audio once has a pair of speakers that used the same sound dampening materials and technology used in nuclear submarines.  I can't remember the brand, but it was a one of a kind that sold for upwards of 1 million dollars!  Serious stuff there!  

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Effects of concrete as base for subs, speakers and potentially equipment

I chose concrete blocks and lead to raise and decouple the speakers from the wood floor. Concrete is a great energy sink and lead adds damping. I am very pleased with the results. Each speaker has four 35 pound solid concrete blocks and 30 pounds of lead. The speaker sits on a 170 pound energy sink. See my systems page left speaker. Wanted to hear how it sounds, before I did both. 😎

Mike

See below JBL Project K2-S9500 speaker introduced in 1989 was design with a concrete energy sink for it's base.

https://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/k2.htm

I added thick beam in my cellar, placed vertically from floor to roof, hammering it into place so it should take the weight off my record player and system. One of the best investments I ever made. I can jump up and down before my record player, no skips.