Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

It was obvious from the start where this one would end up. Almost like s set-up…

@uberk your response hit the nail on the head for me. I tried to not be specific in the gear that I own but had to comment on it to show the differences in the level of gear that one has to be able have experience with to be able to hear differences. Typically but not all of the time when you buy the expensive gear you are paying for technology, build quality, innovation and performance. Once you experience that performance then it changes what is possible in listening to your system. Your gear then becomes more sensitive to cabling, tweaks, power supplies, amplification and even sources and source materials. If your gear doesn’t have a low noice floor then you will not be able to hear your system in its fullness. If the power supply is weak then it will not project into the listening environment with the same level of potency. Even in low level listening. There are just things that you don’t know when you don’t have experience with that type of gear. That’s not being uppity. That’s just the truth. I remember when I had the battery powered veloce gear in my system and it had 0 noise floor because it was battery powered. There was cleanness and purity of sound that led me to seek out gear with the ability to have no background noise so I can hear more of the music soundstage etc. That’s how I ended up getting what I have now eventually. That first experience in the higher end changed my perception on what was possible. If you don’t go through those kind of experiences in this hobby like most of us have I’m probably not going to put a lot of stock in your opinion. I can’t tell that the continuous commenter hasn’t so I wouldn’t take his advice. Also, when you try to nicely tell someone this. Then they get offended and try to get back at you because you told them where they probably are in their journey and because you are further along in yours they even become offended about that. In my experience the better matched and typically more expensive systems if they are matched correctly allow you to truly hear music in all its glory if you have the right cabling, tweaks, amplification and power supplies etc. You have to have reallly well engineered equipment that limits distortion and noise etc. it doesn’t always have to be expensive but in most of the higher end gear that is the baseline.

@uberk @cleeds I definitely see your point about audioaoficiando. I was on Audiogon for years and then this one guy started commenting excessive about cabling and .999999999999 purified copper etc.  come to find out he didn’t have a decent system and he was only commenting as an annoyance. Part of the reason I left Audiogon was the nastiness. The fakeness at times. In addition to that people commenting that just don’t have the understanding that we have. IF YOU AINT GOT THE GEAR YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE EAR! If your baseline of what is possible isn’t at a certain level you just don’t  know what’s musically possible in a system.  That’s not the case all the time I would say most of the time.  All of this comes with experience. The ability to learn. The ability to not be BUTTHURT because someone probably knows more than you. The ability to not be the smartest guy in the room and learn from those who have more experience or even different experiences than you have.  I learned  from guys earlier that had way more experience than I had and I’m glad I listened instead of running my mouth. 

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“I can’t tell you how many times to comment but I will tell you I would never take any audio or life advice from you.”

I’m crushed.
 

But if I were to advise you I’d suggest selling everything you have, save up and then modify your room so that it is an actual excellent acoustic space and get what I have. But that would probably come off as uncivil and disrespectful so I will refrain from offering such advice.