Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

The fact that you spoke directly to Einstein does not means that Einstein had solved or you had solved all problem in physics...😊

my point is simple :

Hearing is not well understood in spite of hundred years of research...

Then invocating science in the singular mode as techno cultist did to direspectfully disqualified any non measurable subjective perception is not polite nor scientific ...

The fact that any buyer of the BACCH system as you are one can speak directly to Choueiri because he help them does not means anything in this discussion ...

And by the way i never gave an "analysis" of Choueiri theory only a simple description in few words and i only suggested to people to read him...

You had the tendencies to misread and twisted quotes and using authoritative name or fact out of the context to assure your simplistic claim about audiophiles as being deluded and lost because they trust rightfully or wrongfully their ears ...

As i already said, i am not a subjectivist nor an objectivist audiophile ... Your are clearly an objectivist ,...

Why claiming more than one time you own opinion and disclaim as illusion any other subjective perception even a wrong one ?

Do you not think it is not a bit provocative ?

It is like going on ASR forum and asking them to trust their ears ...😁It will be dismiss as idiotic beliefs if not substantiated by a set of measures ... Do you get it ?

I suggested to you in the beginning more than a week ago instead of dismissing cables perception or anything of this kind to spoke about Choueiri precisely because it could have been more constructive and useful here than systematically dismiss others subjective and/ or objective experience or purchases IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE ...

Do you get my point ?

Forums are social meeting points, not tribune to impose truths especially when there is no universal accepted theory of hearing in spite of our powerful technology ..

I dont give a damn about cables by the way , in my experience they made small differences compared to acoustic and other mechanical and electrical factors ... And i dont came here to put the shame on the head of those who had experienced otherwise with other gear, other room , other brain/ears and other histories... We can make clear our opinion and goes about more serious matter as i suggested to you a couple of time (Choueiri for example ) ... Then other audiophiles no more hurted by your dogmatic attitude would have listen to you ...

Do you get it ?

 

 

I don’t need your analysis of what Edgar says about audio. I just talk to him directly.

Perhaps i am absolutely a confused mind and you cannot made head and tails for this reason...😁

Perhaps i am more nuanced and more complex than your simplistic appeal to "science" and nothing else ...😊

Like you i am also provocative in a way , i plead guilty of charge ... But here i defend the right of people to express their subjective hearing experiences without blind test and in spite of your kind of science ... It is a forum of audio hobbyist ...not a circle of audio engineers all educated in the same mold ... It is why it would have been more useful to make them curious about Choueiri discoveries  as i suggested after your first three posts here than learning that they are deluded about their cables choices  in the name of science...✝

 

 

Do you get it ?

 

I can’t make heads or tails of most of what you write

Good thread. Thanks to the OP for delving into the limits of civility. A number of years back my cat destroyed my ARC Ref 5SE. I posted a request for help/advice and while I got sound advice, certain posters decided the thread was an audio chat board "Lord of the Flies." I'm sharing for your entertainment/edification. It's quite a hoot.

David

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/my-cat-destroyed-my-arc-ref-5se-soliciting-suggestions

Empathy is a precious gift to understand people... Alas! many people here as in any other forums dont understand the situation of others and mock them...

This attitude is called "stupidity" by an italian economist named Cippola who wrote the best book ever about "stupidity" describing it rigorously ...Feel free to read it and learn as i did, it is a free book ...

 

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"The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity" (1976) The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.»
 
 

Good thread. Thanks to the OP for delving into the limits of civility. A number of years back my cat destroyed my ARC Ref 5SE. I posted a request for help/advice and while I got sound advice, certain posters decided the thread was an audio chat board "Lord of the Flies." I’m sharing for your entertainment/edification. It’s quite a hoot.

David

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/my-cat-destroyed-my-arc-ref-5se-soliciting-suggestions

“The fact that you spoke directly to Einstein does not means that Einstein had solved or you had solved all problem in physics...😊”

and that’s where I tuned out….

 

How kind and wise you are indeed ...I never said anything myself about Choueiri save elementary facts and i quoted articles about Choueiri asking you, because you own the BACCH filters, to speak more about Choueiri than about cables subjective choices of audiophiles and then not unnecessarily provoke people...It is more interesting to learn about an acoustic revolution than to learn that we are deluded because we bought some cables ... You dont think so ?😁😊

And now you tune out with no arguments about my posts save insinuation about me and my intention .... You are of very bad faith my friend ...😊

Have you forgot that i welcome you and ask you to spoke about the BACCH filters instead of harassing cable owners with objectivists dogmas and blind test ?

Me unlike you i am not convinced that ALL cable owners are deluded ...I dont mind about cables anyway ...

I am interested by psycho-acoustics and his philosophical meaning ...My own system is low cost and totally satisfying ... I will buy the BACCH filters for my headphone because they are top one  and i know they will greatly benefit from it ... I dont need other upgrades... Thats all ... But i will never suggest that people  speaking about their cables qualities are ignorant because not supported by science ... You know what i means ?

😁😊

 

 

“The fact that you spoke directly to Einstein does not means that Einstein had solved or you had solved all problem in physics...😊”

and that’s where I tuned out….