Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?

Good thread. Thanks to the OP for delving into the limits of civility. A number of years back my cat destroyed my ARC Ref 5SE. I posted a request for help/advice and while I got sound advice, certain posters decided the thread was an audio chat board "Lord of the Flies." I'm sharing for your entertainment/edification. It's quite a hoot.

David

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/my-cat-destroyed-my-arc-ref-5se-soliciting-suggestions

Empathy is a precious gift to understand people... Alas! many people here as in any other forums dont understand the situation of others and mock them...

This attitude is called "stupidity" by an italian economist named Cippola who wrote the best book ever about "stupidity" describing it rigorously ...Feel free to read it and learn as i did, it is a free book ...

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wharfy

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12-13-2023 at 07:53am

Good thread. Thanks to the OP for delving into the limits of civility. A number of years back my cat destroyed my ARC Ref 5SE. I posted a request for help/advice and while I got sound advice, certain posters decided the thread was an audio chat board "Lord of the Flies." I’m sharing for your entertainment/edification. It’s quite a hoot.

David

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/my-cat-destroyed-my-arc-ref-5se-soliciting-suggestions

“The fact that you spoke directly to Einstein does not means that Einstein had solved or you had solved all problem in physics...😊”

and that’s where I tuned out….

How kind and wise you are indeed ...I never said anything myself about Choueiri save elementary facts and i quoted articles about Choueiri asking you, because you own the BACCH filters, to speak more about Choueiri than about cables subjective choices of audiophiles and then not unnecessarily provoke people...It is more interesting to learn about an acoustic revolution than to learn that we are deluded because we bought some cables ... You dont think so ?😁😊

And now you tune out with no arguments about my posts save insinuation about me and my intention .... You are of very bad faith my friend ...😊

Have you forgot that i welcome you and ask you to spoke about the BACCH filters instead of harassing cable owners with objectivists dogmas and blind test ?

Me unlike you i am not convinced that ALL cable owners are deluded ...I dont mind about cables anyway ...

I am interested by psycho-acoustics and his philosophical meaning ...My own system is low cost and totally satisfying ... I will buy the BACCH filters for my headphone because they are top one  and i know they will greatly benefit from it ... I dont need other upgrades... Thats all ... But i will never suggest that people  speaking about their cables qualities are ignorant because not supported by science ... You know what i means ?

😁😊

“The fact that you spoke directly to Einstein does not means that Einstein had solved or you had solved all problem in physics...😊”

and that’s where I tuned out….

Do you really think wave interference patterns that affect the sound in the audible range are a mystery that none of us ever knew about and are mysterious and unmeasurable? If ultra frequency sounds manifest a wave within the audible range we hear it, if it isn’t masked, and we can measure it. AND any basic cable will transmit it without any audible distortion.

Dude, I came from a different engineering discipline (nothing to do with audio) where folks could die if we make a coupla innocent li’l mistakes. Hence, extreme levels of rigor was required and we couldn’t afford to do any kind of fake parade like you. In fact, i was hinting on some phenomena we’ve studied in another discipline for other applications (nothing do do with audio), which clearly should have some implication for audio. Some apparently celebrated speaker designers i’ve spoken to had never heard of it (got real glazy eyed when i brought it up). I am guessing internet warrior Scott had never heard of it either. But, here he is, pretending to be the instantaneous expert.

going back to the early days of Bell Labs about 100 years ago to current times there has been a massive amount of research on what we hear and don’t hear. We know for example that the total distortion in a basic audio cable is so low that it’s hard to say for sure if what is being measured is actual distortion or just thermal noise. It’s around -140 db. We also know that no human being can come close to hearing any noise or distortion at -140 db. And there is no recording or source component either digital or analog that can produce a signal that doesn’t add at least 20-30 db of noise and distortion. Analog sources in particular aren’t anywhere near that. And we have numerous controlled tests that clearly demonstrate this inaudibility.

We also know, based on a large body of research that humans can not accurately compare an aural memory to real time sound. Not even close. And we know through other studies that it is a cause for humans, all humans, to misidentify differences in sound where none exist.

What is really dumb is to think that they continually miss real audible phenomena that is only detected by audiophiles under non controlled conditions.

Yeah whatever....There are clinically deaf musicians out there, i.e., deaf = can’t hear diddly...How would Scott explain that? Would he do a polka dance in front of them and write a dissertation about it?

There are naked monks living high up on some mountains in an eastern part of the world in sub-freezing temperatures where Scott , Bob and Bill could freeze to death in under 20 minutes. But, those monks live like that in those environments for years, decades... How would triple PhD Scott explain that? Would he stick a thermometer in a few places the sun has never seen, take a few measurements and write his 4th dissertation (just like that)? mmhmm, that’s what i thought.

Yo go Scott... Do another quick fake genius maneuver for the crowd again.

Don’t mind me though. I could give a ratsass if some audio nerd had a genuine revelation one day or not.