Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?

@maghister he can’t trust his ears he does not want us to trust  ours.

Exactly!

I tried by two times to discuss rationally with him to no avail ... The last time he extracted my sentence of his context to made his obsessive point about double blind testing ...😁

I renounce to discuss with him ... He is of good faith tough, very intelligent , and i dont doubt his system is good with the BACCH filters... The problem is his past frustration , his change of mind about high end gear, then his crusade on us , poor deluded audiophiles he want to save us really , we are like he was before the enlightening sun of double blind test revelation as a debunking tool ...Now price tag means nothing for him compared to double blind test ...He turn his coat inside out about high end , beginning to be a customers of high end and now becoming a debunker ...😁

But for me price tags had never mean much because i learned how to use basic acoustics and other optimization methods to reach what i called : the minimal acoustical satisfaction threshold , defined by a balance between all acoustic factors implied in the opti9mizaqtion process of any system/room at any price ...

I learned to trust and train my ears in a minimal way with acoustics experiments .. I dont need to be a debunker ...

Acoustician designing a small room dont use double blind test and has no need for it ...

@maghister he can’t trust his ears he does not want us to trust ours.

“ Toole's listening test were flawed, he positioned every different kind of speaker in the same location. ”

I agree his tests were flawed. I didn’t say they were perfect. I said they were double blind. 

“Paul Barton is of that source. Toole has worked with him from those early days and by now, should be back where the started which is where Barton lives “

So the testimonial of some guy who worked with Toole is a better source on how Toole did his research than Toole and the actual published papers of Toole’s research? I disagree. 

Double blind test are not science , they are tool useful for example in pharma research coupled with statistic , never on an individual basis ... Simple blind test are useful tool in the designing process on an individual basis NEVER as debunking tool "per se" more a testing tool ...

Most techno cultist conflate science with his tools , as Dr, Fauci confused his statistics use with science, but for Fauci it was greed and power not a confusion created by naivete at all ...😊