Purchase on Audiogon arrived not as described


Hello,

I purchased a speaker pair through Audiogon that was listed as a 10/10 falwless pair. The speakers arrived damaged. They were not properly packed they were piano gloss finish and only packed woth a single layer of a very thin fabric cloth and one layer of bubble wrap in a flimsy single layer cardboard box single boxed.

The speakers arrived 11/30 (Thursday) and due to work I wasn't able to open the package until the night of 12/1 (Friday). I took photos of the unboxing process and I was surprised to see how little packaging therewas for a 50lb+ speaker pair with piano gloss finish. I was extremely careful unpacking the speakers and after unwrapping them I saw the damage. One speaker is busted on the bottom with a crack, the other speaker has 3 large strike marks and chips to the edge.

 

Within minutes of seeing the damage I contacted the seller. I have no way of knowing if the speakers were damaged in transit due to poor packaging or if the seller scammed me. I contacted the seller within minutes of seeing the damage and explained the situation. The seller immediately became defensive and said I had plenty of time to evaluate the speakers and that I probably didn't like them so I purposely damaged them. This offended me and was quite ridiculous. The speakers were at my house for one day and I didn't unbox them until I had the time the next day. The speakers have remained in the original packaging taking up space since this date.

 

I tried to communicate with the seller and the seller completely stopped answering messages through audiogon. I filed a dispute through Audiogon and linked the seller Audiogon's policy on selling and items not arriving in the condition listed. The staff at Audiogon managed to get ahold of the seller and told me the seller was not being reasonable. They advised me to file a PayPal claim. I filed my claim on 12/3 after spending two days communicating with the staff and trying to have them be a middleman to communicate between the seller and I. The seller never responded.

 

I have now been waiting for weeks on the dispute with paypal. The seller responded to the dispute and is fighting to keep my money. I offered to send the speakers back to the seller from the beginning and properly package them how I would have liked to receive them packed. I am worried about paypal being so slow and have heard stories of paypal siding with scammers before.

newtoaudio100

+1 @riccitone. if in fact it went down the way the op states, which i've no reason to doubt, it's remarkable how cheaply some people will sell their dignity. the speakers would have to be worth at least two grand before i'd be tempted to cheat.....

When I sell speakers, turntables, amps, dacs, I always have the buyer show up in person with cash.

That is an incredible high bar, especially since many people keep original packaging, buy insurance, etc. It would result in many being unable to sell their equipment. Glad it works for this person, but he's a distant outlier to what is or can be done.

Dress the astrological chart of the days ...And your and compare ... Selling or buying...

I am half serious...😁

😊😊

i bought a heavy amplifier, my best one at low price , i wanted it strongly from across the continent , it is impossible to buy only from known sellers ...

At the end of the day we must be cautious but it is lucky day or not ...

And some purchase matter way more than others and will affect our life or not so much if we add this device or not ...

Then there is an aspect way over the mere material transaction ...

It is like the ripples of a stone in a pound affecting or not the river bank ...

Yes i know, i am not very practical here... 😊 or perhaps after  heavy thinking i am much too practical...

 

 

That is an incredible high bar, especially since many people keep original packaging, buy insurance, etc. It would result in many being unable to sell their equipment. Glad it works for this person, but he's a distant outlier to what is or can be done.

Agreed - good packing does an incredible job protecting gear. Most factory packing these days is excellent. There's no reason to shun or fear UPS / FedEx shipment of most audio components. I know there are horror stories for any carrier, but I've yet to observe a "fault" on their part, in hundreds of transactions. It always comes down to your packing quality. Things get a bit more dicey on amps & speakers over 100 lbs each - at which point you may want to go freight / pallet, or go for a local sale and either plummet the ask or wait an eternity. 

Open cell polyurethane foam is the best packing material up to a certain weight / stress limit, then you need to shift to closed cell polyethylene foam. These are the BEST general materials for shipping. Use plastic wrap to keep everything tight and protect surfaces. Peanuts and/or bubble wrap are good only for the very lightest loads. I HATE polystyrene because it fractures too easily - I use it only when I need to get rid of the stuff, and only if its fracturing won't risk anything. 

As a seller & buyer in equal measure, I feel it's 100% the seller's responsibility to guarantee a safe arrival and non-DOA.

Sorry to hear of your bad experience. 
I always ask for pictures of what I’m buying before I send money. I had an awful experience with KEF and because I had pictures of the boxes still on the skid on my and pictures of the unpacking and pictures of the speakers set up,  After a FULL YEAR, I got them replaced.
 

All the best.