What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?


Once in awhile, I hear the term 'this amp is more musical' for some amps. To describe sound, I know there is 'imaging' and 'sound stage'. What exactly is meant by 'more musical' when used to describe amp?

dman777

None of that (above in your last post) answers OP's question: "what is meant by ’more musical’"

However, when you typed that

"More musical" means an upgrade of gear or /and upgrade of room acoustics...

That was at least an answer to OP’s question. It was an answer that nearly had me rolling on the floor with laughter, but at least it was an answer.

There is only one way to improve musicality...

It is to EXPERIMENT with the relation between the gear and the room acoustic...

do you get it ?

Now if you want to know with WORDS what is musical... Try to read poetry ...

Acoustics science define "musical" in big books about all acoustic parameters and conceptual aspect of it ...

Timbre, immersiveness, and spatial qualities ...

Try an acoustician and read it ...

I suggest Dr. Edgar Choueiri...

And an advice: dont say to someone reading his post that you roll in laughters... The idiot is not always the dude who dont laugh ...

 

 

"More musical" means an upgrade of gear or /and upgrade of room acoustics...

Seriously??? That is what you think the definition of "more musical" is?? A simple "upgrade of gear"??? And if the gear upgrade doesn’t work and the result actually sounds like hammered sh!t, then is it still "more musical"?

At least you were finally able to provide a concise definition. I’ll give you that anyway.

There is only one way to improve musicality...

It is to EXPERIMENT with the relation between the gear and the room acoustic...

do you get it ?

I have no doubt about all of that, but the problem is, that does not answer OP’s question: "what is meant by more musical?"

Now if you want to know with WORDS what is musical... Try to read poetry ...

So when OP asks "what is meant by more musical?" this is NOW what your answer is? You are no longer saying that "more musical" means to buy an Atmasphere amp? What if OP has read some poetry but finds that defining a good poem versus a bad poem is a subjective process as well? What if OP enjoys reading but finds short fiction to be a preferable genre (to him or her) than poetry? Does this mean that OP can never know what musical is?

Acoustics science define "musical" in big books about all acoustic parameters and conceptual aspect of it ...

Okay, I’ve provided two definitions, one of which was relatively concise and concrete and the other which was concise but subjective . . . you have yet to provide ANY definition of "musical", except for a lot of meaningless word soup. Give me a concise definition of musical in 25 to 50 words if you can. And if you try and you find that "having the pleasing harmonious qualities of music" is the best you can come up with, I am okay with that. Then we can go down the "what is music?" rabbit hole.

Timbre, immersiveness, and spatial qualities ...

Okay, expand your definition to 100 words and explain how those properties define musical and I will probably ask you once again if, for an example, the group Mega Death is musical.

Try an acoustician and read it ...

Meaning that you cannot explain what "musical" means?

I suggest Dr. Edgar Choueiri...

How about Dr. Seuss?

And an advice: dont say to someone reading his post that you roll in laughters... The idiot is not always the dude who dont laugh ...

But in all seriousness, @mahgister , OP asks "what is meant by more musical" and you answer that an "upgrade in gear or acoustics" is the definition he is searching for . . . that IS funny!

Sure,  @atmasphere  , but what is meant by "more musical"?

@immatthewj That which is better able to sound like real music.

«Timbre, immersiveness, and spatial qualities ...»

 

Okay, expand your definition to 100 words and explain how those properties define musical and I will probably ask you once again if, for an example, the group Mega Death is musical

 
"musical" cannot be put in words except by using synonyms as in the Merriam Webster...
"musical" can be defined in acoustic factors as these factors can be controlled in a room by some ears/brain EXPERIMENTING ...
 
Experimenting what ?
 
We know for example that the transients are important in the timbre "musical" judgement by a listener...
To improve the transients it is possible for example to play with the room ratio between absorption, reflective and diffusive surface ...
 
To give another example, imaging will be greatly improve by the listener location and the speakers location and the wise use of the lateral reflections at the right timing ...
 
Etc....
 
 
I can go on with reading you 10 acoustic articles...
 
Or as any idiot i can ask forever a definition of musical in words that dont exist , because "musical" being an acoustic concept suppose some ears/brain and a pair of hands modifying the room acoustic parameters to his liking and after studying the concepts of timbre , immersiveness and spatial qualities in such a way and enough then he had learn what to do instead of changing cables and gear without end...
Then you will understand what is a "musical" timbre perception by being able to perceive any of his aspects ...
For timbre there is 5 aspects to play with.... You cannot put this understanding and set of experiments with specific gear in a specific room in few words...You must experiment with acoustic concepts... Even if i paste any text acoustics if you dont play with the parameters associated with these concepts you will not understand ... Acoustics is an APPLIED knowledge not words and not even equations because hearing is too complex ...
 
Do you get it ?
Or will you roll in laughters ?