What affects front to back depth in room/ system?


I've been moving speakers around for a while now trying to maximize their placement for a happy balance of soundstage width, focus of center image, vocal height, instrument placements, etc. I want to get the speaker placement settled before acoustically treating the room. The room is 15x20 with 8' ceilings. Speakers are setup along the 20' wall. I'm pretty happy with most aspects of the sound, but what I can't seem to figure out is how to improve the depth. Honestly, I'm not sure if what I'm after is attainable to begin with. Is it possible to have depth that reaches the listening position in a 2.2 channel sound system? The depth behind the speakers is great, just not much in front of them- unless it's one of those songs that has a part where it has that inverted phase trick. Then it washes over me. I want that all the time. Any feedback and advice is appreciated. 

veerossi

Reverb and delay add reverb and delay, and not depth particularly in my experience. Maybe an illusion is enough, but level is key and burying an instrument in reverb tends to obscure its position in the mix more than accent it. Listen to the infamous brilliantly recorded later Steely Dan recordings...one of the first things you notice is the utter lack of reverb.

"Listen to the infamous brilliantly recorded later Steely Dan recordings...one of the first things you notice is the utter lack of reverb"

I'm listening in my head...

Skunk Baxter's  "Bohdisahttva or Walter Becker's "Josie" solo would have been ruined with noticeable reverb. OD tone/reverb is an odd pairing to my ears. 1-2 max on the knob- if any.

Those geetars are dry!

wolf on point.

 

 

It’s in no way a matter of cabling and tweak products such as vibration absorbers, contrary to what the either delusional or perfidious dealer suggested here. Yeesh…talk about misleading.

 

The primary factor is how much space you allow between the speakers and room boundaries. Additionally, bass smoothness, proper room treatment for ideal decay time, the phase of the recording, and overall speaker performance also play critical roles. All the rest affect perceived depth by far smaller margins.

I’ve setup systems that can create incredible depth for relatively little money, so it’s not so much about how much you can spend, but high quality speakers are a must. 
 

 

I see quality loudspeakers there. Wide-angle distortion in the photo makes it difficult to estimate the ratio of tweeter-to-tweeter and ear-to-tweeter. Some say that these should be equal (an equilateral triangle); however, most great-sounding systems I've heard have the speakers a little closer together. Tweeter-to-tweeter distance is ~85% of ear-to-tweeter.



I agree with others that for most loudspeakers to create a perception of depth, you're going to need to pull the speakers well out into the room…at least 4 ft from the front of the speaker to the wall behind. Sometimes further is better. It also helps for there to be nothing between the speakers. Bonus points for having nothing inside the triangle formed by the tweeters and your ears.

Good luck. It's something we're all chasing and have achieved to various degrees.

It’s all about setup. There are several excellent books on setup. Buy one, read it , learn how to setup your room