What qualities stand out in really good solid state preamps?


Recently I posted on the Herron HL-1, asking people what they thought, how it compared, etc. It's been sold and that's ok. The search continues. 

But it raises a question I'd like to ask folks:

What attributes do you look for in a good solid state preamp?

Some qualities — quietness, durability, seem pretty obvious.

But what other criteria do you use to differentiate between solid state preamps?

How can they differ and what matters to you?

Please let me know!

P.S. As I've looked around, I've begun to learn more about some of the legendary preamps — made by companies such as Threshold, Ayre, Bryston, Pass, Apt-Holman, and others. It's good to have these names as references, but it would be even more useful if I knew what these brands conveyed, sonically. I've played with the idea of getting a newer Schiit preamp and then I wonder -- what if there's a "classic" preamp out there, used? What would it deliver that was worth searching for?

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@sameyers1 "A number of people who posted comments have dissed the concept of neutral. A simple view of neutral is that a device (preamp, amp, dac, speaker, cables, whatever) does nothing to change the recording. It’s not complicated"...

 

Following your lead, here is a simple view and question, and not too complicated. The XP12, XP22, XP33, each sounds different. And for some audiophiles, the next version is better than the last, and so they upgrade and sell the prior version.

-or- If anyone else cares to respond, feel free to chime in -

Are the earlier versions less neutral than current versions, and what makes the latest versions of Pass Labs preamplifiers more neutral, or better, or different enough to want to make the next-level-up upgrade?

 

 

A number of people who posted comments have dissed the concept of neutral. A simple view of neutral is that a device (preamp, amp, dac, speaker, cables, whatever) does nothing to change the recording. It’s not complicated.

@sameyers1 Oh but it absolutely IS complicated. You don’t know what the original recording sounds like any more than I do. For you to say YOU know what’s neutral is your — and ONLY your — opinion and not based on objective fact at all unless you have the recording engineer sitting in the room with you. Who the hell are you to say to anyone else what’s neutral? It’s just your interpretation based on your ears and taste and nothing more and is not translatable to anyone else. To say that you know what neutral is better than anyone else is just arrogant and silly IMHO.

Audionet makes the best preamps in solid state I heard full stop!

Mola Mola good too.

@soix I never said I knew better than anyone else, you did. I never said my statements were objective fact, you did. I made a point of saying everyone has their preferences and prefer different gear. And objective fact is what exactly? Some people on this forum downplay the value of testing equipment using measurement gear. I can understand that, as measurements don’t tell the whole story in my experience. My ears are my reference measuring device. So what is objective fact? In listening to music it’s mostly subjective I think. 
 

You’re right that I don’t know exactly what the original recording sounds like. I wasn’t in the studio or at the venue. But I do know what a piano should sound like. i’ve played one for decades. It’s why I listen to solo piano recordings and solo acoustic guitar recordings, as I know what those instruments sound like quite well, Yes my piano in my room sounds somewhat different from another piano in a different room. But it is the best frame of reference I can have to know if a piece of gear sounds true. The OP uses a violin to evaluate gear for the same reason. Perhaps I should have said that a simplistic view of neutral is that the gear is true  the sound of the instruments. 
 

When I audition gear I use recordings I know well that I find to be true to the sounds of the instruments I know. I can hear a loose/flabby bass, a bloated midrange, a lack of treble extension. It’s similar to what people do every day when they tune their guitar or flute or clarinet. And I compare the gear in my home to what I own. It’s not perfect, but again it’s the best anyone can do I think.

Everything on the forum is opinion and based on individual experiences. You can say I’m arrogant. I can say you’d do better to not to get angry and recognize everyone’s right to post their thoughts and find a respectful way to disagree. I hope you can accept my response in the spirit in which it is offered, as a further explanation of how I characterize neutral.