Expectation and musical perception


The PBS series "Closer to Truth"  did a episode on "How Do Human Brains Experience Music?"
https://youtu.be/1TsitZvvcsw?si=UnTa-wlFnrrFiTnB

in which they explained the complex pathway by which the brain turns perception of sound into recognizable speech or music. Most significantly Prof Elizabeth Margulis of Princeton states that prior knowledge in the brain actually changes what we perceive when listening to music. The whole show is worth watching but at least check out her segment around the 23 minute mark.

What I get from this is that when listening to music the issue of expectation bias is HUGE.  If the brain is expecting something it can open the door to hearing it, and the reverse is also true.

I see relevance here to the many on-going discussions on this forum. What do you think?

Some of you may beinterested in Dr. Margulis books or the work of her Music Cogntion Lab at

 

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Two pattern of sounds act as in steganography the superposition of two geometrical colored patterns and then can initiate a veiled or hidden third one image...

The impact of Bach music is especially clear by his use of superposed melodic lines...Counterpoint is steganographical...

We perceive what we had learn to perceive relatively to our own innate biases but also with our own sound deciphering learned history by what Goethe called " exact sensorial imagination".

Some level of synesthesia may be also implicated to some point... I myself hear music as geometrical flow in my "sensorial imagination" ...

Dr. Margulis is right... Thanks for the recommendation...

https://twitter.com/DenisLabelleX/status/1757510366639038928

 As i said here often we must LEARN how to hear and listen all our life...

This is also why acoustic is so deeply educative...

Music is by his content interpretation  an education of attention duration , focus and span ... Also music contain cultural consciousness level  information which cannot be reach otherwise...

Most significantly Prof Elizabeth Margulis of Princeton states that prior knowledge in the brain actually changes what we perceive when listening to music.

What is sad is that most people looking for a good sound think that investing in a 100,000 bucks  gear system ( with not even a dedicated room acoustic) is the key...Instead of studying basic mechanical,electrical and acoustical knowledge...

 it is why i cannot take seriously most audio thread  which are about gear expanse and branded name consumerism...

I’m glad you like the link @mahgister, you were one of the people I was thinking of when I decided to post it. I have enjoyed some of your postings on the nature of music and sound. I totally agree that price and sound quality of audio gear have a weak correlation after a certain dollar threshold is crossed.

Isn’t it interesting that Dr. Margulis and the inventor to the BAACH system that you admire are both at Princeton? I live about a 90 minute drive from there and would love to find a way to talk to these people or at least hear them. I even drove to Princeton one time for an audiophile meeting just on the hope that I might make a connection, but alas, no luck.

Btw the twitter link you provided did not work for me.

 

Thanks indeed for this interesting information...

The link does not work anymore...😁

But the image i suggested to understand how 2 or 3 or many  patterns conjointed can create a new emerging  pattern which wait to be perceived, this image  is in this wikipedia article :

music and sound are as in these images set a soul steganography...A fractals set of meanings made flesh by sound flows...

Music is the best means and tool with mathematics , especially geometry, with Nature forms and colors, to increase attention and intention ...As said Goethe an act of "exact sensorial imagination"... A mandala or a mantra, a prayer as well as a creative act...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

 

 

I’m glad you like the link @mahgister, you were one of the people I was thinking of when I decided to post it. I have enjoyed some of your postings on the nature of music and sound. I totally agree that price and sound quality of audio gear have a weak correlation after a certain dollar threshold is crossed.

Isn’t it interesting that Dr. Margulis and the inventor to the BAACH system that you admire are both at Princeton? I live about a 90 minute drive from there and would love to find a way to talk to these people or at least hear them. I even drove to Princeton one time for an audiophile meeting just on the hope that I might make a connection, but alas, no luck.

Btw the twitter link you provided did not work for me.