How important is the efficiency of a speaker to you?


I went to an audio meeting recently and heard a couple of good sounding speakers. These speakers were not inexpensive and were well built. Problem is that they also require a very large ss amp upstream to drive them. Something that can push a lot of current, which pretty much rules out most low-mid ( maybe even high) powered tube amps. When I mentioned this to the person doing the demo, i was basically belittled, as he felt that the efficiency of a speaker is pretty much irrelevant ( well he would, as he is trying to sell these speakers). The speaker line is fairly well known to drop down to a very low impedance level in the bass regions. This requires an amp that is going to be $$$, as it has to not be bothered by the lowest impedances.

Personally, if I cannot make a speaker work with most tube amps on the market, or am forced to dig deeply into the pocketbook to own a huge ss amp upstream, this is a MAJOR negative to me with regards to the speaker in question ( whichever speaker that may be). So much so, that I will not entertain this design, regardless of SQ.

Your thoughts?

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@danager 

What price  level and brands would you say have overcome the obstacles to achieve top level performance? 

Good to see how many people are getting on the high sensitivity train.  Why do I care?  More users means more choices by manufacturers.  The economics point big manufacturers to the expensive insensitive speakers.  

Some great posts here.

And some denying.

Jerry

I think a very reasonable argument can be made for low-power amps, along the lines of “the less you mess with the signal, the better.” So assuming you select a well-designed amp, you simply find a speaker that pairs well with it. I have a couple of Pass diy amps with 15 to 25 watts. I’ll call that low power in today’s market. So to go with the 15-watt amp (at 8 ohms) I built speakers with 95db efficiency. Nice sound, really sweet midrange in a 20x20 family room. The 25-watt amp is a little more flexible. It makes 40 watts at 4 ohms. And I like Magnepans, but they’re 86 db and 4 ohms. I tried it and liked it. Volume probably tops out in the low 90s db range in the large room they’re in, but it’s a living room, not my music room, so fine by me. I’ll add that among the high efficiency speakers I have hear at stores and with my local audio group, they have a dynamism I find appealing, really lively. But I value timbre above all, and that usually leads me to Maggies.

High sensitivity speakers w/ true bass extension necessitates large volume cabinets which can mean more $ & potential room / aesthetic placement challenges. That said, as John Atkinson often points out, high sensitivity drivers have substantially less distortion at higher output levels because of the much lower current flowing through their voice coils which generates much less heat & are “ working” much less hard. That said, some may not like the sound of the driver type used to create that high sensitivity ( horns, AMT’s etc). Every method has trade offs.

My own personal preference that to me sounds closest to live music is high sensitivity horns w/ tube amps but not “ flea powered” if you like to listen up loudly in a big room. Very difficult for just about any  lower sensitivity speaker at any price w/ even w/ heroic amplification to match the speed & instant dynamics of a quality horn loaded one. 
 

Volti Audio Rivals do it for me….

@ronboco 

As far at cost to achieve SET sound with power I have no idea.  If you're are really interested you should reach out to somebody like Pat Hickman at Whammerdyne.  He builds both "flea watt" and hi power hybrid amps and I'm sure he could explain both the benefits and drawbacks of the different levels of power.