Comparison of sonic qualities of some tonearms


I’m relatively new to the world of vinyl, listening seriously for probably only 2 years.  Of course, many big picture items (e.g. turntable, phono stage, cartridges) are discussed extensively on this forum, but I haven’t seen much discussion comparing different tonearms.  I would be interested to hear about different people’s experiences with different tonearms, mentioning the audible advantages and disadvantages of each tonearm, realizing that there is no perfect sound, although from what I read about others’ experiences, SAT tonearms may come closest, albeit at a very high price.  

drbond

As for adjustability, for some body wanting a simplistic method to adjust Pillar Height.

A new card deck has Cards with a almost consistent dimension of 0.2mm per card.

Using the deck or proportion of deck set upon a LP and under the arm wand close to the Pillar, enables very controlled incremental changes to the pillar height and VTA/SRA. 

The Azimuth adjustment is more complex to control, depending on Headshell Type, to achieve the 90 degrees to the Groove will take on different processes.

The Zenith adjustment, setting the Styli parallel to the Groove is the one most overlooked.

Manufacturers of Styli that set the gem on to the Cantilever are not too up to speed with their quality control on setting the gem. 

I don't know who has the perfect Zenith and who does not, I will know I could improve on this area as a discipline. 

Some measurement device is needed, for a reasonable cost, so one can adjust for zenith.  I do believe Wally Tools is devising such a device but don't know for sure. I cannot even imagine how such a device could be designed so the average vinylista could learn how to use it.

@drbond : " very few on this forum have actually compared tonearms, which rationally only leaves dealers, who, of course, are biased to one degree or another; but some biased information is better than no information at all. "

 

Four time that confirm what I write in my last post. You need to learn to understand in true the tonearm subject that you still just do not " discern " even that you think you did it and you think you did it in a " record time " using only two tonearms and 2-5 cartridges in the same TT. Well I know that you are not a genius but is fine with me.

 

" and the differences are dramatic, so I would imagine that for just about all tonearms…I’ll try a third in the near future…"

Wrong conclusion even that you now has a " fan " that suddenly posted and that’s way over wrong that you are. To each his own.

Even that you need to make a test with to same tonearms and with 2 different cartridges where you listen one of those cartridges that you mount in one of those same tonearms and in second step after your listen sesession you take that cartridge and then you mount in the other similar tonearm and listen it and through this comparison come here ( after doing that with those 2 different cartridges ) and share what you found out. I don’t care if you don’t do that it’s your decision.

In the other side, maybe you need to have a little more clear the intrinsical relationship between a cartridge and the tonearms where it is mounted.

A cartridge per sé and during play develops its own kind of " distortions " and the tonearm during play develops too its own self of distortions that with an specific cartridge can be a mate in heaven and in other tonearm not at the same level ( everything the same ) but this does not means that the " heaven mate " is better tonearm than the other second tonearm: what that means is only that the first tonearm mates better with that specific cartridge. Of course that if the differences are " nigth and day " with 5 cartridges in the row then that tonearm or is totally inferior or it’s out of its design specs.

The other issue in that " everything the same " other that the cartridge/tonearm " perfect " set up is that both tonearms have the same internal wire and input/output connectors.

 

I’m not " offended " in anyway with your 4 times post and your " fan " because I know with all respect to you that gentlemans as @terry9 @lewm @mijostyn @chowkwan @viridian @wrm57 @whart and others ( to many to mention all ) are way better and with higher knoledge levels in this specific tonearm subject that you and I know too that the ignorance level of all those gentlemans is way lower that your high ignorance levels in this specific regards and you make things " complicated " because you don’t let that any one help you in anyway about.

 

Btw, I have 2 similar self design/build pivoted tonearms are identical in every characteristic but the internal bearing type where one is an ABEC 9 gimball and the other jewl and both performs with excellent quality levels. Exist differences that can you detect where you could say this is better than the other? maybe you can maybe not.

 

R.

 

 

@rauliruegas

Just as I thought you had become a better person, you prove me wrong by your assinine comments. Oh well, some people never change…  You have never offered anything constructive, and my best policy was to always ignore your comments, as they are always irrelevant to the matter.  So I will return to my past approach, which is to ignore any and all messages by you, which I suppose most on this forum would also benefit by learning from my experience, which I am willing to share.

@drbond  : That's your usual response that it's not constructive  I already told you why in my opinion you are wrong in this specific tonearm subject.

 

However in your thread you don't post yet why the other gentlemans I named are wrong and where are your foundation to think they are and that you are rigth or at least that in this forum no one knows about because this is what you posted 4 times with no facts that could prove it.

I said you are wrong and is only an opinion and I was not proven nothing: only said with foundation in all the other gentlemans posts and in what you posted.

R.