A listening test of two power amps


Hello, 

It's my first post here. I've been using two power amp setups for my main stereo and I've been curious to see if I can really discern any acoustic difference between the two. One setup involves a bi-wired high-powered stereo power amp and the other uses a pair of identical lower-powered amps with which the speakers, a pair of Tannoy System 12 DMT II monitors, are vertically bi-amped.

I decided to devise a listening test involving a mono acoustic recording made with a valve-condenser mic positioned at my usual listening position. I've used a relatively simple method to ensure that the recordings are level-matched. I've chosen a mono recording method since my goal is, principally, to evaluate the "tone" of the two recordings. I've been inspired to do this test after reading W. A. James' eBook "High end audio on a budget". The aim of the listening test is to try and discern which power amp setup provides the most realistic rendering of acoustic instruments. I thought that a mono recording might help the listener concentrate on the tone. After listening, I think it does. It's less distracting, especially on piano, where stereo or other multi-mic recording setups tend to splay out the notes across the stereo field.

I made two recordings for the test and will place links below so that the audio can be downloaded. I won't at this point give the make and model of the power amps involved, but this is the method used:

Method

1. I created an audio file with white noise at -10dB RMS and put the file on a Logitech Media Server so that I could play it on my stereo using a Raspberry Pi 3 with Audio Injector Pro card and RCA interface (192kHz 24bit DAC).

2. I then put on an LP on a Pro-ject 1.2 and set the volume to my usual listening level on a Quad 34 preamp. Following this, I then played the white noise and used a decibel meter, positioned next to the mic, to measure the level. It measured 67.3 dB.

3. Still playing the noise, I set the record level on a portable Tascam digital recorder arbitrarily to somewhere above -15dB. The microphone used was a large diaphragm valve condenser mic. The Tascam was set to record at 192kHz 24bit.

4. I then recorded the first track of the LP on the Tascam.

5. After that, I wired up the other amp configuration. I played the white noise and adjusted the volume of the preamp such that the decibel meter again measured 67.3dB at the position of the mic. The volume control on the Quad 34 is stepped, so I was lucky it matched!

6. I then recorded the same track on the LP as before, leaving the Tascam record levels unchanged.

7. I tidied the two recordings in Ardour (trimming start and finish only) and exported each as a 192kHz 24bit Flac file. I did not adjust the gain on either recording.

8. I listened to the recordings on the computer with a pair of AKG K501 headphones and Focusrite Scarlett interface.

Results

At first, I could distinguish a marked difference between the two. But now, I'm uncertain of the first qualitative difference that I'd noticed but I have noticed other more subtle differences (for the moment anyway). And that's why I'm here!

It would be wonderful if some people here could listen to the recordings and say which recording produces the most realistic rendering of the three instruments therein, and why. The instruments being piano, drums and string bass.

I've given the two files nondescript names: e.flac and t.flac. If anyone needs a different format or for me to down-sample, please let me know.

Finally, here are the files:

https://escuta.org/webtmp/e.flac

https://escuta.org/webtmp/t.flac

Cheers,

128x128surdo

"1. Match level by multimeter instead of SPL. Get a 60 Hz signal and check the output on either speaker. You can get really accurate this way.

2. Consider recording AT the speaker connections. You have to be careful to keep the peak voltages ~ 1V but this would let you get a noise-free recording of what the amp is actually offering the speakers. Then you can do some very interesting analysis such as output by frequency, compression by frequency, etc.

This option also makes it easier to listen to any differences directly as opposed to via another microphone, though the max signal to noise will be different."

That’s brilliant erik_squires, thanks for your input!

Am I understanding correctly that you’re talking about getting the signal to be recorded by attaching a cable to the terminals on the the speaker? ie. connect positive and negative terminals to the wire and shield respectively of a short unbalanced cable (one cable for each speaker)?

I think I’d have to test with the speakers wired traditionally - ie. not bi-wired or bi-amped, correct?

I know very little about electronics, but do have a meter, soldering iron, etc. What sort of voltage might I expect at "normal" (not too loud) listening levels, seated just a bit more than two meters away from each speaker? They’re 8 ohm speakers.

I have run the DAC gamut. I've had a Schiit Bifrost, RME ADI2, a host of Topping's, IFI K9 PRO, Denafrips ARES II, leading up to a Cary Audio DMS-550. My current DAC/Streamer is by far the best I've had. Eversolo DMP-A8. I have friends that have DACs costing over $20k say they are shocked at the quality of the Eversolo. My system is Cary SLP-05 preamp, MF M8-700m monoblock amps and Sonus Faber Serafino speakers. My $2k DAC fits right in.

What a great post! Thoughtful and challenging and, wow! thorough.
And you're absolutely right about naming the amps! That would just trigger the haters to... well, hate.

"How can a $30 op-amp sound better than a 200lb amp with a 1/4" front panel?"

(Okay, it almost certainly doesn't, but... hyperbole.) 

Some people made useful comments and I see you took them in.

You are very welcome here! At least, by me. 

Have fun!

Very interesting post!  Some on this forum do not support single or double blind testing, however I appreciate your efforts.  I had a listen to both files driven from my laptop using Sennheiser 58X headphones - not the best chain, but what I had readily available.  I used Audacity to playback, which allowed me to quickly switch between the two files.  I think you did a great job of level and timing matching.  I have to say I heard little to no difference between the files.  There were small differences visible in the waveforms, however using Audacity to calculate to overall spectra of the files they were essentially identical.  I tried to post them, however couldn't figure out the process for posting images.  In any case, well done on an interesting presentation.