Do I need a phono preamp?


So about 2 years ago, I got the vinyl bug in a big way, particularly jazz (Blue Note especially). I started with a Technics SL1210GR table (before I got the bug) and frankly, it's done good service, but I've decided to upgrade to the SL1200G. I have a range of carts, from an MM Ortofon Blue to a high output MC AT-art9xi (additional cart reco's are welcomed!). I have Revel Performa 228's, one Rythmik sub, a McIntosh MC312 amp, and a McIntosh C53 preamp. The C53 is known to have a pretty darn good phono-pre for an all-in-one solution, and my listening experience supports that. It's hard for me to imagine it could be vastly improved (I realize this is likely mistaken).

 

My question is simple, and one you've heard countless times before---am I doing a disservice to the system without a separate phone-pre? If so, recommendations please ($3,000 +/-). Btw, I'm under the impression that the cart is more important to the choice of a phono-pre than the table, so your thoughts on that would also be appreciated.

 

Thanks! 

willyht

Cartridge IS the most important.

IF your phono sounds great; IF you can hear differences between cartridges, then I would not even consider changing the phono stage until you change the preamp and/or amp.

I would consider these changes in the future:

1. Turntable with Two Tonearms, (If into Jazz: Mono ready to go, back to Stereo in seconds in a listening session). One arm easy height adjustment and changeable headshell. Other, perhaps longer arm, perhaps fixed cartridge. Consider method of choosing which Tonearm.

2. Low Output MC Cartridge, which means: new SUT to go to existing MM Phono; or New MM/MC Phono Stage with SUT built-in. Have PASS to send MM cartridge thru the SUT/Phono Stage unchanged. Consider MC SUT (internal or external) optional xFactors and optional impedances for future cartridges.

3. Tubes! Thus if new Phono Stage: Tubes, separate, or in tube preamp, or tube integrated with Phono or you go separate tube phono.

4. Speakers: to easily try tubes, high sensitivity/efficient speakers are important. Existing? New?.

Less needed power decreases cost/weight/heat; increases competition in that power category, increases placement options

Phono stages are as important as the turntable / cartridge. Over a period of ten years with a VPI Aries / Van den Hull Frog and originally a A rated (Stereophile) $200 Phonostage (which sounded simply terrible), then the 1980s Audio Research PH2, 2SE, 3…etc until I got to the ARC PH8, each increment brought very important improvements in sound. It was not until the PH8 did I feel as if the phono stage was not significantly holding back my turntable sound quality. At that point the PH8 was about the same cost as the turntable / cartridge.

I have upgraded my vinyl end now to nearly the maxed out Linn LP12 with an Audio Research Reference 3SE. The turntable/cartrige value roughly equals the phonostage. Outstanding phonostage are made by Audio Research, Presto and a couple other companies.

while I have probably heard the Mac phono, I don’t remember it well enough to comment. But typically a separate high quality phonostage makes a big improvement. Someone with more intimate knowledge will have to comment on this particular one.

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McIntosh MP100 is excellent. Should work with variety of cartridges. I heard it in my system with Hana EL and Hana ML. Table was MoFi UltraDeck.