I see the issue with ABX blind testing


I’ve followed many of the cable discussions over the years with interest. I’ve never tested cables & compared the sound other than when I bought an LFD amp & the vendor said that it was best paired with the LFD power cord. That was $450 US and he offered to ship it to me to try & if I didn’t notice a difference I could send it back. I got it, tried it & sent it back. To me there was no difference at all.

Fast forward to today & I have a new system & the issue of cables arises again. I have Mogami cables made by Take Five Audio in Canada. The speaker wire are Mogami 3104, XLRs are Mogami 2549 & the power cords are Powerline 10 with Furutech connectors. All cables are quite well made and I’ve been using them for about 5 years. The vendor that sold me the new equipment insisted that I needed "better" cables and sent along some Transparent Super speaker & XLR cables to try. If I like them I can pay for them.

In every discussion about cables the question is always asked, why don’t you do an ABX blind test? So I was figuring out how I’d do that. I know the reason few do it. It’s not easy to accomplish. I have no problem having a friend come over & swap cables without telling me what he’s done, whether he swapped any at all etc. But from what I can see the benefit, if there is one, will be most noticeable system wide. In other words, just switching one power cable the way I did before won’t be sufficient for you to tell a difference... again, assuming there is one. So I need my friend to swap power cables for my amp/preamp & streamer, XLR cables from my streamer to my preamp, preamp to amp & speakers cables. That takes a good 5-10 minutes. There is no way my brain is retaining what I previously heard and then comparing it to what I currently hear.

The alternative is to connect all of the new cables, listen for a week or so & then switch back & see if you feel you’re missing anything. But then your brain takes over & your biases will have as much impact as any potential change in sound quality.

So I’m stumped as to how to proceed.

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There is no way my brain is retaining what I previously heard and then comparing it to what I currently hear.

 

@dwcda correct. And this has been demonstrated to take less time than many audio gurus assume. If comparisons are not a literal flip-switch, subjects can be quick to lose, alter or invent, context. A “trust your ears” stance is necessarily deaf to this ubiquitous limitation, and I think that’s fine so long as the choice is not professed to be useful for everyone’s case.

 

The alternative is to connect all of the new cables, listen for a week or so & then switch back & see if you feel you’re missing anything. But then your brain takes over & your biases will have as much impact as any potential change in sound quality.


That’s not an alternative, it’s a totally different (and perhaps even less-controlled) test that will probably give inconclusive results. The second part, you’re surely accurate.

 

So I’m stumped as to how to proceed.


There are options, but they require designs using repeated measures and those won’t do well with a sample size of one (listener). By virtue of how such comparisons have to work to be analytically robust, one person listening for preference differences is a non-starter.

Situations like these, some folks will decide on alternative assessments that aren’t controlled. And for some folks, that’s good enough (and again, I agree fine, if they’re not processing it to be suitable as a rule). If one cable or three cables or all cables make a difference to your perception, whatever kinds of tests you have or have not done, the query for you is: How much difference should be perceived for said device(s) to be worthy of inclusion / purchase?

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An A/B switch box is needed to evaluate those power cords. The hand switching delay makes comparison difficult because aural memory is so fleeting! Like the human eye watching fireworks. By the time a switch is made the aural memory is gone!