Killing BluRay, new Oppo BR 83


OK, I have been vocal on these forums with my opinion that BluRay is a short term media, and will not become the dominant media format. My reason:

1) There is not a mind blowing difference in BluRay quality
over the existing domintant format of DVD. That's not to say BluRay is not better, but it's not the difference between VHS and DVD, where you couldn't believe what you were seeing. Does it look and sound better, yes. Does it change your life, no. Especially with the quality of the upconverting DVD players available.

2) Given my first point, I don't think there is a big call to replace any purchased DVD's with BluRay. Any videophile who had a bunch of VHS tapes did that immeadiately with DVD, but why do it again? Basically the same disk, great sound, and small size, with excellent picture. I don't think that investment is going to be made again, and that means the market for BluRay discs is MUCH smaller for classic movies.

3) The advenet of internet based movie downloads is already available in HD. Granted, it's only 720 and no HD soundtracks, but does anyone believe that is not coming, and quickly. I love using my AppleTV to rent movies, never leave the house, and don't have to return. Honestly, I have bought a bunch of movies that way, since I have such a big network storage capacity. I think this will be the dominant AV format going forward, both movies and music. More high res video and music available faster. I believe that the rise in the market for outboard DAC's will become even greater, and they will have he ability to decode the new higher res music, and possible video soundtracks in surround. Output to analog preamps for Audiophile grade sound will become the norm for audiophiles, or hybrid HT/2 channel systems, as is becoming the norm.

I whole-heartedly believe this since recieving my new Oppo BluRay player. It is a great player, and it's the second BluRay I have had in my system so it just has re-inforced my previous hypothosis regarding the future of BluRay. Don't get me wrong, the player is STELLAR in every way. Considering the price, it's almost criminal especially on SACD and DVD-Audio (which I have not had any of the problems that the first firmware owners had). I have not gotten to use it as a CD transport yet, I am waiting on one of Paul G's (TubeAudioDesign) new DACs and the redbook CD sound on it's own was just OK.

That said, after watching several movies in both BluRay and DVD on the same player, the difference is just not that huge. It is better, but not enough to make me run out and buy any of those movies again on BluRay. It's the difference, to me, between the Magnepan 3.6 and 20.1. It's definitely better, but they are both excellent.

OK, those are my thoughts, FWIW.

I came to these conclusion
macdadtexas
It's interesting that the only variables really being considered here regarding the timeframe for downloadable movies are consumer demand and technological capacity (for streaming full 1080P movies, etc.), when the real fly in the ointment is the incredibly complex legal agreements that studios secure regarding the exclusive rights and release schedule for every single film they produce.

After its theatrical run, a film has an exclusive period for pay-per-view, or airlines/hotels, or premium cable, or dvds, etc. These are incredibly complex and long-standing agreements, through which the studios get forwarded much of the money they use to finance the films' productions, so they can just cut and run overnight because they see an opportunity in downloadable content. The studios are now becoming more and more interested in downloadable content, but it will still be a LONG time before the vast majority of movies are available in 1080p on demand; the CEO of Netflix, Reed Hastings, recently said that it would be at least ten years before that happens.

Think about that, DVDs officially came out twelve years ago, and Blu-Ray came out about two years ago; that means that there's still an entire format cycle left before the legal and technological hurdles surrounding downloadable content are overcome. This isn't a question a consumer demand or consumer techno-savvy, it's a question of a fundamental paradigm shift in content delivery that simply cannot be exploited at the present time because of these longstanding structures.
Albert, I have not compared but who cares really? Your not going to quit playing vinyl, and the SACD's don't sound as good as vinyl on the best rigs so.... Hey where are you in Texas, what a great rig, if it's Austin I could bring you some wine when I go on a road trip from Houston........

Not quite that close, I'm in Dallas but would be glad to share wine with you. I have a bunch of 2005 French that's excellent and I share with friends :^).

I need some kind of disc player. When I sold my McCormack UDP-1 Deluxe for the Pioneer Elite the image quality went up, although sound wise I took a hit. However, as you say I listen to LP and open reel tape for most of my music anyway.

The debate for me is between Oppo and Elite Pioneer. Before anyone says anything about price, I can get Elite for a screaming deal, so don't go by that criteria.

So should I stay with present Elite BDP-95FD, upgrade to new Elite BDP 09FD or switch over to Oppo BDP-83. The only criteria is best image from Blue Ray and DVD and best sound with Redbook.
redbook with the oppo was very partisan to say the least. I have not tried it yet as a transport with a stand alone DAC since I have a new tube DAC on the way from Paul G at Tube Audio Design, and I am assuming that will be a huge upgrade.

I thought the SACD and DVD-Audio were very good, and DVD's and BluRay look amazing.

To the point of the legal arguements over BluRay rights, I find it hard to believe that the precident has not been set already with the DVD rights since that is digital media as well. It's just a variation of DVD, not really a new media in the fact that it's just higher resolution digital information. DVD was a change from analog to digital, where the information could be diseminated differently. So I'm not buying the legal rights issues are going to take the same time.
Macdadtexas,

We will have to agree to disagree - perhaps my old school perspective is clouding my mind. I have not fully warmed to mass digital storage and playback of my music collection because I am so dumb I need/like to have the jewel case / record sleeve to remind me what song I am listening to and who is actually playing what instrument. I use iTunes a lot on my laptop when I am on the go and even though much ancillary information is embedded with the music files, I still find it an inferior interface all around to hard media.

I also find streaming video downloads are currently too unreliable/unstable and I am not yet pleased with the sound or video quality I get even when they happen to work to specs. Maybe these technical problems will all be solved and the user base will grow large enough fast enough to put pressure on the content providers to solve their legal and logistical problems and abandon BluRay and other physical media right away (except LPs in your new world order) in favor of all digital video and audio on demand all the time - but I doubt it.

All the things you say will come true someday at a scale of use broad enough to replace BluRay as the next video "format", but I say not for a while. People are apparently still going to Blockbuster and they have replaced about 60% of their DVD selection with BluRay disks in my neighborhood store.

Only time will tell.
It depends on size of screen and capability of audio system. DVD upsampling is remarkable these days - especially Oppo's. Nonetheless, BluRay disc has a pretty damn stunning sound. And I find Bluray via Oppo's new machine definitely stomps upsampled DVD's on my 42' plasma. I suspect that at 32' or less the difference would be marginal.

I've never been a collector of DVD's, just rent them from Netflix. I pay a buck or two extra per month for the Bluray option. Happy camper.

"Long term", who the heck knows. Even my 80 year old aunt tells me she hears on the TV news that LP records are making a comeback!
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