kevn

Thank you for sharing all that. Absolutely sums Amir up really well in my opinion. Appreciate all the details. 😁

Thanks for your interesting opinion and personal experience..

He stay polite with me but never understood in good faith any of the scientific text i suggested the last time i dicussed with him...He could not anyway because it demolished his fragile ideology about his small set of measurements he put over hearing and even over hearing theory...

Probably  i am a very bad judge of people character and perhaps i am wrong about my objection concerning  the accusation of narcissism...

I cannot debate this in either way.... I will trust your judgment over mine in this...

😊

@rankaudio / @mahgister 

“This is why i criticized Amir about hearing theory and he had no idea of what i spoke about ...

Ignorance rule...”

rankaudio/magister, in a thread with similar posted outcomes last year, I asked amir about the value of a particular test for listening ability, a very accessible test on the internet to gauge listening ability over different resolutions of tests files. In reply, Amir said it was not a good test for its purpose, and referred me instead to a site purposed for those wanting to learn how to listen, oblivious to the fact that the test I had referred him to was one on testing inherent listening ability, and nothing to do with learning. He brushed away his misstep upon my pointing it out, but nonetheless acknowledged my listening abilities to have identified all resolutions accurately, only to lead on to a more conclusive but inaccessible test he had performed, in dismissing my result as being ‘undocumented’. He then proceeded to deride me when I called him out for not having even performed the said test I referred him to, accusing me of having ‘tricked’ him into believing I wanted to ‘learn’ from him, when all  I wanted was to prove him wrong.

mahgister, there are moments like this littered through all of Amir’s exchanges with others, especially the ones he has with you. He often fails to read the substance of the posts of others, conflates issues under discussion with either his credentials, or measurements of singularities as the end all, prevaricates when he has no answer, and never acknowledges his mistakes when made, which we all make as the imperfect beings we are. Everything about his behaviour in his posts point to cognitive dissonance, a vital cornerstone of narcissism.

The WebMD summarises well…

‘People who show signs of narcissism can often be very charming and charismatic. They often don’t show negative behavior right away, especially in relationships. People who show narcissism often like to surround themselves with people who feed into their ego. They build relationships to reinforce their ideas about themselves, even if these relationships are superficial.’

It goes on to add that narcissists have ‘a preoccupation with fantasies of success, power, or brilliance’ and are insisting of the fact ‘they have the best of everything’, which in amir’s case, are the instruments he measures with.

What the WebMD fails to state is that narcissists are of belief they are right about everything they stand for, which, for amir, is the half science of measurements.

Even you, mahgister, label him as ignorant, while deflecting all attention from your statement by accusing others of insulting and calling him names. The fact is, a reasonable diagnosis based on evidence of engagement, in your case ‘ignorance’, and in rankaudio’s case ‘narcissism’, does in no way constitute insult or childish name calling.

The simple fact is that Amir engages his important, and yet half science of measurements as a singularity, in ignorance of all other vital relationships, and does so with narcissistic tendencies of arrogance; and neither you nor rankaudio, are incorrect in your statements.

 

in friendship, kevin 

Also, Mahgister, thank you for the link you posted earlier to that study regarding human hearing and the Fourier uncertainty principle - https://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html

It helps explain a lot about what many of us have suspected/felt for as long as we have been in the hobby, in noticing both subtle and more obvious differences with each change of our systems. The way the article has been written is both simple to understand in form, and profound in critical content. ; )

Thanks for your kind words...

Now try to read this one , i even bought the book of this writer :

The Body-Image Theory of Sound: An Ecological Approach to Speech and Music

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267327268_The_Body-Image_Theory_of_Sound_An_Ecological_Approach_to_Speech_and_Music

Then relate this article to this one which confirmed that the acoustician above is right :

Pythagoras was wrong: There are no universal musical harmonies, study finds

https://phys.org/news/2024-02-pythagoras-wrong-universal-musical-harmonies.html

This second article synthetize the research in this one :

Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z

This last one is very important too and confirm alll the others:

Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultures

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

Also, Mahgister, thank you for the link you posted earlier to that study regarding human hearing and the Fourier uncertainty principle - https://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html

It helps explain a lot about what many of us have suspected/felt for as long as we have been in the hobby, in noticing both subtle and more obvious differences with each change of our systems. The way the article has been written is both simple to understand in form, and profound in critical content. ; )

 

It is clear that acoustics rules audio experience which is not mere room acoustic...

If we dont understand psychoacoustics we can anyway tune our system/room for sure without reading these articles above...😊

But if we want to really understand why Amir posit an ideology about a few tools as THE audio truth we must read these articles which explain what we hear and how this affect us, in a way no tools used as a set of toys to promote audio S.Q. truth could because it is only gear marketing in a new form.

There would be nothing wrong with Amir measurements if he did not disparage hearing and acoustics and users preferences parameters as basis and key, instead of the gear specs, so much important electrical synergy could be and is for sure to start a system /room journey... Acoustic synergy matter no less...

Gear dont matter at last anyway it is only a starting point ( it is budget dependant) acoustics matter at last if we want to do the best and the optimum with what we can afford ...

For sure you cannot replace a lesser quality component with acoustics knowledge nor compensate for it. Design quality matter too. Then in this sense specs matter.

But once said the impact of acoustics on a system/room exceed any upgrade in S.Q. improvement %... By far...

it is not well  known because marketers sell gear pieces as acoustic solution  to S.Q. problem...It is not even wrong because as i said design quality matter...

But no marketer sell their gear piece asking  the consumers to study acoustics to reach the optimum with their new piece of gear... They instead said that their piece of gear is "perfect" as it is for them... Unwrap and plug and be on top of the world...

Sorry it is false no system whatever his price can beat acoustics...