See you all after the elections


Regardless of what political messages are being spread around here it’s unfortunately true that the level of courtesy and how we talk with those we disagree with reaches a fever pitch before elections in the United States.

Too many talking heads in the mass media are modelling too much poor behavior and loathing of "others" and it’s filtering into this place which I like to hang out with for fun and to help others. What should be plain technical discussions are being infused with personal acrimony. If I wanted that for fun I’d work in a call center.

I’m taking a break from the A’gon for a while. I can’t say the toxicity it’s not affecting me either. This place is just not worth the anger and frustration it is causing of late and I certainly don’t want to learn how to behave by modelling that myself. Hopefully when I come back in 2025 Americans will again be relating to other Americans in ways that don’t involve criminalization or demonization and this place will be nicer.  I also really am too old to be having "but he started it" excuses over what should be a fun and meaningful hobby.  Be well all.  See you in a few months.

erik_squires

I avoid any threads that directly discuss politics but the ironic thing about this thread is that Erik's infamous Amir/ASR topic was a revelation to me about how politial and tribal identity has taken root in this hobby. Some of the posters in that thread hurled the most vile, unfounded, ridiculous insults at Amir for eloquently putting forward his philosophy regarding how measurements and bias relate to what we hear. Geez, if you don't like what he is saying, just ignore him!

The whole thing reminded me of how dysfunctional our political debate has become. Our poliics have become our identity and it's our tribe against the other tribe. We can't seem to have a civil discussion anymore.

In our esoteric, nerdy audio hobby we seem to have separated into two tribes as well. It's the subjective tribe vs. the objective tribe and one of those tribes feels threatened to their very core about what the other tribe is saying. Their response is to sling insults and question the motives and character of the the people who view the world differently than they do.

To bend a phrase, Audio politics are so viscious because the stakes are so low.

Some of the posters in that thread hurled the most vile, unfounded, ridiculous insults at Amir for eloquently putting forward his philosophy regarding how measurements and bias relate to what we hear.

Amir may be many things, but eloquent he isn’t. Neither do I think calling someone out for spamming the group to be a vile insult.

Geez, if you don’t like what he is saying, just ignore him!

I did. The guy's a clown.

American politics
Stay away from me
American politics 
Mama, let me be

Don't come hangin' 'round my door
I don't wanna see your face no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you

Now politics, stay away
American politics, listen what I say

American politics 
Get away from me
American politics 
Mama, let me be

Don't come knockin' 'round my door
I don't wanna see your shadow no more
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes

Now politics, get away
American politics , listen what I say

American politics 
I said, get away
American politics 
Listen what I say

Don't come hangin' 'round my door
Don't want to see your face no more
I don't need your war machines
I don't need your ghetto scenes
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes

Now politics , get away
American politics , listen what I say

American politics 
Stay away from me
American politics 
Mama, let me be

I gotta go, I gotta get away
Babe, I gotta go, I wanna fly away
I'm gonna leave you, politics 
I'm gonna leave you, politics
I'm gonna leave you, politics 
I'm gonna leave you, politics

Bye-bye, bye-bye
Bye-bye, bye-bye
(American politics ) You're no good for me and I'm no good for you
(American politics ) I look you right straight in the eye
I tell you what I'm gonna do
(American politics ) I'm gonna leave you woman, you know I gotta go
(American politics) I'm gonna leave you woman, I gotta go
(American politics ) I gotta go
I gotta go, American politics 
Yeah

I have strong political beliefs but why would anyone put them here? Show some self control people. 

I avoid any threads that directly discuss politics but the ironic thing about this thread is that Erik's infamous Amir/ASR topic was a revelation to me about how politial and tribal identity has taken root in this hobby. 

And he knew it. Members here have asked him what his motivation is for starting so many threads that stir the pot. Funny how some moments can concentrate the mind and this is one of them.

I don't think Eric ever liked my politics (among others as well of the same persuasion) and it was after I posted how I liked my Technics integrated that he remarked on how could I like something that measured so poorly in some respect. He did that on a couple more posts whenever I brought it up.

He then went and started a thread on how could anyone pay what Technics was asking for their SU-R1000 when it measured so poorly. It didn't get many replies. 

Looking back, I can see where that could be construed as some passive/aggressive trolling at work leaving one to wonder what his real motives were. Just some food for thought.

All the best,
Nonoise