Upgrade Interconnects/Cables or…?


At 71 years of age, I have two possible upgrades I’d like to perform. After that I’m done, except for the usual tweaks (i.e., tubes, isolation, etc.). I’m very happy with the system I’ve built over the years, and it fits my room (medium), and the sound I’ve been after has been realized. I am guilty of concentrating on the main components of my system, and not paying much attention to what connects them. And, I’m in the hunt to upgrade my line stage…Maybe? So, what to do first, and perhaps I can hold off on the second option entirely? My budget is under $6,000 for either one.

I’m still an analog guy, even though I do have a DAC, Streamer, and NAS. My concentration here is for my phono playback. My interconnects and cables are old, but even so, each time I’ve upgraded a main component I have heard definite and sometimes significant improvement. Whenever I purchased interconnects/cables in the past, they were always decent ones at the time.

Option 1 - I’m looking at replacing the following interconnects/cables for my phono playback…

Turntable, Arm, Cartridge: Upgraded TW Acustic Raven, Ortofon RS 309D, Ortofon Verismo

               Current Phono Cable: Cardas Cross

Phono Stage: Tron Seven with the Reference caps

               Current Interconnect to Line Stage: Cardas Cross Reference

Line Stage: Boulder L3AE and recently upgraded the caps by Boulder

               Current Interconnect to Amps: Crystal Piccolo

Amps: TW Acustic 300B Monoblocks

               Current Speaker Cable: WireWorld Silver (original)

Option 2 - My system is fully unbalanced, so when considering a line stage, I don’t want to pay extra for designs that benefit from using the balanced side when I won’t be using that. One consideration for replacing my Boulder, is the Audible Illusions L3B.

So, which option might you choose if you could only choose one? And, what might you go with?

Thanks,

Kenny

kennythekey

Kenny…looking at your system pictures the speakers are very close to the front wall and there’s not much acoustic treatment. 
Swapping cables out won’t give you that wrap around soundstage you’re looking for. That’s more amp/speakers/room combination given the source and preamp are up to the task and I believe that to be the case in your system. 
Have you tried pulling speakers our more into the room. You can also tow them in so they fire direct at the listening chair. 
 

It sounds like you’re happy with the sound overall. Hence my recommendation to play with speaker placement and room acoustics.

pindac,

Thank you for all the info you provided about the PC Triple C cable. I have checked out your links, plus I found a couple more of interest. BTW - I may already be using the Ortofon tag wires as you refer to them. I’ve always considered using a loom of cables throughout, but my main component upgrades always got in the way due to cost. One site, Osage Audio, covers Acoustic Revive products that include single-ended interconnects of PC Triple C cable. Another well established manufacturer, Furutech, offers power cords of the same. They also offer other cords made from a variety of materials.

My main dealer, Jeff of High Water Sound, is very well respected in Audio. It was through him that gave me the sound I’ve been after. He is also a Furutech dealer, so I’m going contact him to get his thoughts about the PC Triple C Cable. My approach to this cable search was to include him anyway, after first reaching out to this community, so I have a well-rounded idea of my options. The same applies to my possible line stage upgrade.

Kenny

audiophile1,

You have very solid points about steering me away from cables and concentrating instead on treatments and speaker placement. I’m aware of the rules that affect the soundstage, but not that simple in my case. For the most part, I have followed the manufacturer’s guidelines for proper setup of my Horning Hybrid Aristotle speakers. The bottom line is that these speakers want corners and I don’t have them in my room, so open on both sides of the wall. I’m stuck with that. My old house had the corners, but even after experimenting with toe-in, this simply pushed the soundstage forward and shrank its width, so smaller. My room front to back is only 14 feet, and my head is already 3 feet from the back wall. These speakers want the front wall to reflect and the back wall to absorb. I use a large tapestry behind me and curtains for the windows. This is not a dedicated audio space even though it looks it. I have to include my better half in the equation. With the corners missing I gain detail, but cripples the bass, so the sound loses its foundation and shrinks. I have compensated for this successfully by having custom open baffle subs built. These have changed everything and have brought my system to life.

Do you think treating the front wall will give me more of what I seek. I do have a large painting there in the middle that I’m very fond of.

Kenny

 

I want to fill my room more, so around me…my primary objective is to open my front to back soundstage and possibly improve upon what I’ve already have.

I don’t think it’s possible to achieve what you’re looking for with your speakers placed as they are and counter to how they’re designed to work without corners, and throwing $$$ at cables or equipment probably won’t help much either because you’re just fighting an uphill battle against physics.  If you haven’t already, I’d try pulling the speakers 3 feet out into the room just to see what happens (hey, it’s free right?), and I suspect that alone will give you a lot of what you’re looking for.  If your speakers sound poor being pulled further into the room then my only suggestion is to get new speakers that will work better in your room and can give you more of what you’re looking for or just live with what you have given the room/placement issues.  Sorry, I don’t mean to be negative but neither do I want to see anyone throw potentially big $$$ into new/different equipment that likely can’t fix what looks to be mainly a compromised room/speaker situation.  In any event, best of luck in achieving what you’re looking for.

Beautiful system and space. I’m 71 as well and very happy to have achieved exactly the sound quality I have wanted all these decades. I like the way you blended the audio rack with components. 
 

I would see if you can find an Audio Research Reference 3 phonostage to try. I think it has detail, staging and natural sound you want. 
 

The old Cardas were a bit warm and not as neutral as, for instance Transparent… I’d give those a try… close to the source first.  
 

Enjoy!