Borresen X3 vs Harbeth 40.2 -- my impressions


After reading so many glowing reviews of the Borresen X3 speaker, I decided to go and audition them at a local dealer who was gracious enough to let me stay there for over 4 hours. I went there with the intention of buying the X3 if they appealed to me. I thought I’d share my impressions here for those who are interested, especially in comparison to my Harbeth 40.2 speakers that I adore.

 

The dealer at first hooked them up to the Axxess Forte 1 integrated amp. To be brutally honest, I was about ready to bolt in the first 10 minutes. I just don’t understand why Axxess is getting so much praise. It was the most flat, dry, and boring sound I’ve heard. Luckily, the dealer had some very high end Burmester amp, preamp, and music server (close to $100K retail for the three pieces), which he agreed to use instead. Huuuuuge difference! The Burmester really made those Borresens come alive and sing. IMO, AGD is really doing a disservice to the X line by pairing them with the Axxess in audio shows. They are capable of scaling with much better gear. Shame!

 

If a massive, immersive, and holographic soundstage is your primary criteria and your budget is $11k max, you should stop reading at this point. Run and get these speakers before AGD decides to raise the price. I have yet to hear a speaker in this price range with this kind of soundstage. But if you value other aspects of music reproduction, keep on reading ...

 

Soundstage Width, Depth, and Height:

No contest. Borresen is noticeably better. The soundstage is as tall as it is deep. I heard sounds coming from besides me and behind me. Depth, while not outstanding, is there for sure. Just not as impressive as the height and width relatively speaking. I still can’t get that immersive feeling out of my head.

 

Ability to disappear:

This is one area where Harbeth always struggles. Owing to the thin walls of its cabinets, one is always aware of the big box the sound emanates from. The X3s totally disappeared. Again, very impressive for a speaker in this price range.

 

Vocals:

Sorry, but the X3 is simply not in the same league as the 40.2 when it comes to vocals. There’s this little extra, lifelike quality to vocals in most Harbeth speakers that is hard to beat. I listened to some very familiar songs on the X3, and it became clear why I fell in love with the Harbeth sound many years ago. Female voices are more ethereal and nuanced, male voices have more chestiness. You hear the emotions and every little inflection in the singers’ voice. It simply gives more of the ‘singer in the room’ feeling.

 

Instrument Separation:

This is a tough one. Both are excellent in this regard. But I will give a very slight edge to 40.2s here. Or maybe not. I don’t know. Let’s call it evens.

 

Transparency and Realism:

This is where Harbeth pulled ahead of the X3s in a major way. I’m not saying that the X3s are deficient by any means, but the 40.2s just give you a lot more of it. You really have to live with them for a while to truly understand and appreciate what this speaker brings to the table. It’s truly addictive. The only other speakers I’ve heard that are better in this regard are the Quads or other electrostatics.

 

Midrange and Lushness:

My impression of Borresen speakers prior to this was that they were very fast, neutral, and quiet. But, much to my surprise, the X3s (or perhaps the X line itself) has been voiced to be more on the warm side of things. Sound was warm and had body. Unfortunately, this is being achieved by adding a bit of a mid bass bump. While it gives the speaker an overall warm predisposition, I felt it came at the expense of hiding details in the mid bass region. Harbeth is also known for a lush midrange but it doesn’t get here by sacrificing detail or exaggerating the sound. Another side effect of this characteristic was that acoustic instruments felt bigger than life. Guitars felt like they were 10 foot long. Piano strokes lacked the bite and immediacy that I get with 40.2s – and by the way this is not a particularly strong point of Harbeth either.

 

Tone and Timbre:

Harbeth to the front of the line, please. The timbre and tonal accuracy of the 40.2s is on another level. X3s are also very good in this regard but are somewhat outclassed by Harbeth.

 

Overall Refinement:

I apologize in advance if this is going ruffle some feathers, but the 40.2s are overall much more refined sounding than the Borresen X series. Again, this is only in comparison. On its own, I would never label the X3s as unrefined. The Harbeth just has this extra layer of refinement that you come to appreciate the more time you spend with it.

 

Bass:

As they say, there’s no replacement for displacement. The 4.5” drivers on X3 produce a prodigious amount of bass which is hard to believe considering the size of the drivers. Yet, the 12” woofer on 40.2s gives you more of that deep and tuneful bass. It just sounds more satisfying and fuller.

 

Look and Feel:

This is very subjective, of course, so please feel free to take it with a grain of salt. But I was not impressed by how the X3s looked in person, they lacked elegance. It kind of reminded me of Tekton – okay, maybe that’s too harsh, I take it back. But I was a little disappointed as they looked really nice in pictures. Wish they would lose the carbon fiber touch and the checkered driver patterns. The Harbeths, on the other hand, don’t look as impressive and nice in pictures. I mean what do you expect from an oversized shoebox on stands. But, the quality and craftsmanship of hand-built cabinets has a more timeless and elegant feel to it that has to be seen and felt to be appreciated. I just feel this style, boring as it is, just ages more gracefully.

 

Long story short, I have decided to stay with my 40.2s. They have many quirks, as pointed out by several members on this forum. But what they do, they do it exceedingly well. I found the Harbeth 40.x to be overall more transparent, lifelike, refined, and balanced. They don’t do dynamics as good as other speakers or disappear as much as other speakers in this price range, but they more than make up for it in other ways. I’ve heard people claim that the X3 are twice (or even thrice!) as good as their asking price. If soundstage is your primary criteria for judging speakers, then I wholeheartedly agree. But if you value transparency, vocals, timbre, tonal accuracy, and overall refinement ... the Harbeth 40.x series justifies its higher price, despite the shortcomings.

 

Having said that, I was still very impressed by Borresen X3 and won’t mind having it as a second pair once they hit the used market. But I feel the hype doesn’t quite align with what I actually heard during the audition. In this price range, I find Audio Vector to be a better value.

 

Please note that these are my opinions based on a ‘mere’ 4-hour demo, and only in comparison to my favorite speakers. It’s totally fine if someone draws a completely opposite conclusion, or tells me that I’m biased. My taste, my preferences, IMO, IHMO, etc. etc. etc.

 

 

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@yogiboy

 

It has nothing to do with your subconscious racism against the Chinese. I actually purchased a Sonus Faber, Mcintosh system in place of the Harbeth. If you can’t make real arguments against why the Harbeth is overpriced, lacks innovation, poor QC, and looks like a wood shoe box for last few decades, then please refrain from commenting.

 

I am merely using the Chinese example to point out how badly Harbeth owners are being hosed, when the Chinese are making a qualitatively and objectively better product at 1/3 the price. Try doing that with a Sonus Faber or BW flagship model, it will look like a joke because there’s actual real European craftsmanship and innovation in those brands. Not like Harbeths old shoe box of 50 years that never changes and even a Chinese factory can build better.

@fishagedone Understanding that you were looking at the 30's and 40's, which of course is utter nonsense (the nonsense would have been more believable of you claimed you were contemplating the 30's and SHL5's), and that you bought the SFs (which by reputation alone appear to be very nice speakers), why do you care so much about Harbeth's so called shortcomings?

I (we) don't need your sympathy. I was not hosed. I'm on my second pair. I did own the 30's and now the 40's. BOTH my cabinets have perfectly matched walnut veneers, as did the previous pair. This is neither cheap nor easy and QC the department seems to be doing a very nice job. I am very happy and sometimes spend 3-4 hours in single dedicated listening session enjoying them.

All you are doing is insulting a very successful company/speaker that you previously admitted you "haven't looked into in any depth" and insulting Harbeth owners.

So the real question is, what is wrong with you? No one insulted you or your choice of speaker, so why do you keep at it? 

   

You haven't made any substantive arguments to address my points. If you love your speakers that's your right to do so, but I also have a right to point out the vast shortcoming of Harbeth as a speaker company and as a product . I did consider both models, why is that so strange ?  My primary criticism was that Harbeth uses the same technology and same.cabinet design,  which is very simplistic and does not use any new techniques or require woodworking compared to companies of a similar price point. Hence, as a consumer I found this to be a disturbing cash grab and value proposition. Add insult to injury,  now the Chinese are producing better speakers at 1/3 the price. I do have a right to be concerned that I was almost ripped off and nearly misled into paying 3 times more for an inferior product by fan boys who are not upfront about the true value proposition . 

@mtbiker29 

@arafiq If this wasn't a 1994 era website I'd find a way to "follow" you since your posts are always very thoughtful and well reasoned.  

Separately, holy s*&^ if you punted Joseph Audio to the side for Harbeth, I can't see a scenario where X3 is on your radar, but that's just me.  You're going to need to step up 1-2 notches to really nail it from here.  

First off, thank you for the wonderful compliment. It's heartening to know that people still value balanced perspectives instead of just mindlessly rooting for their favorite brands.

I know it comes as a surprise to many that I preferred the 40.2 over JA Perspectives. The Perspectives (in fact most JA models) are really good and are generally well received in the market. They were certainly a step up from Harbeth SHL5+ which they replaced. But, the 40.x is a completely different animal IMO. Yes, they have some family resemblance but they're just in a class of their own compared to other Harbeth models. The one speaker that I heard recently is the Daedalus Apollo model. Now, this is something I feel can give Harbeth a run for its money. But it's so hard nowadays to find something you can listen to that it makes it impossible to reach an informed conclusion.

@helomech I just want to clarify that my 'brash' comment was not directed towards you. In my book, it's quite ok to passionately defend your choices in audio. After all, you reached to this point after a lot of research and listening. My comments were really meant for some other posters who don't quite understand the notion of civility when making their opinions known. It's one thing to defend your choice (which you were doing) and quite another to insult people for their choices on something as inconsequential as 'liking' a specific brand. In fact, your posts really convince me to seek out an X3 audition in my home and possibly even buy one in the near future.