New speakers for a new start?


Hi all, this is my first thread on this forum. I am returning to audio after a 20-year hiatus, and I am planning a new-to-me, music-only, 2-channel system. I'm pretty excited!

Other than my Thorens TD-320 series I, I am (re-)starting from scratch. I plan to focus on speakers, then build the rest of my system around them.

I look forward to hearing folks' feedback and advice during this process.

How I listen: I have a pretty big room, 9' ceilings. I can set speakers in a 10' triangle with about 16' clear behind them and 3' to 6' to the sides. I normally listen around 75 - 85db at 10', but sometimes I like to crank things way up. Also, I can't sit still for extended periods of time so I tend to move around quite a bit.

What I listen to: 30 - 40% blues, 30 - 40% industrial, punk, post-punk, noise, and hip-hop, 10-15% ambient, 10 - 15% various pop styles, 5 to 10% jazz and classical. Nearly all are studio recordings. Source-wise, 75-80% digital streaming, 20% vinyl and (very occasionally) CDs.

Things I like in speakers: A generous amount of fast, tight, well-controlled bass with great extension. Little to no coloration - it can always be added in later through component selection. Fast transient response. Detail. Coherence. Transparency. Great dynamics. I'm OK with "analytical" or "dry" within reason.

Things I don't like: Boominess. Flabiness. Ear-piercing mids.

Here are a few speakers I'm interested to learn more about (in no particular order):
- Thiel CS5
- Dunlavy SC-4, SC-5
- Tyler Acoustics D1x, D10
- Nearfield Pipedreams 21
- Infinity IRS (probably not the Reference behemoths though... realistically)
- I am also intrigued by open baffle designs (Spatial, Jamo R909)

I prefer full-range speakers because I don't love subs with music listening. They're a must in a home theater though.

I love planar speakers for their speed and transparency, but the fact that I can't sit still in their minuscule sweet spot for very long, coupled with their general lack of bass probably makes them a less than ideal choice for me.

I will buy used gear unless something I want happens to be available new at a huge discount. I am more interested in value than in staying within a specific dollar limit and be able to resell at par or at a modest loss if, as time goes by, I find I'm no longer as enamored with them as I once was.

I am interested in your experiences, especially with the speakers I mentioned above, but any and all feedback is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 

devinplombier

I had a similar issue: planar speakers without enough bass, and subs were just too slow - no bass was better than augmented bass. Or so I thought.

Then Magnepan began selling small, individual bass panels, which they call DWM, and which they insisted would not work with ESL's. Hah ! The heck they don't. I bought two and added them to my 4 Quads - everything was transformed.

They are a push-pull design with magnets both sides, as fast as the ESL's and just the right signal shape for my purposes: 18dB crossover at 200Hz. Of course, you can change to suit. I amplify with Brystons. YMMV.

Whatever you decide, good luck!

OP

Thiels are great speakers, I've owned 5 different pairs up to the CS3.6s.....which were the best by far (though I still own a pair of 2.3s). They can be very hard to drive and to set up, but once they are can be beautiful.

I'd look at used Revel Salon 2s, sounds like they might fit your needs

@1971gto455ho I have Betas and I agree with you.  I was just listening to them from 0400-0700 before the week started.

Gamma and Delta are very nice also!

I would add Paradigm Founder 120h to your list. From your list of wants in a speaker IMO it checks all the boxes. 

+1 for PBN.  I've heard Peter's speakers many times and they sound great with all types of music.  They are fast, detailed, and the bass is tight and right.  There's quite a few models to choose from depending on what you want to spend.

Also, Peter is a great guy and very easy to communicate with.