Refurbished / Re-tipped Cartridges - Are they worth Buying?

“Listening” is a worthless measure of whether a retipped cartridge resembles its original self in the first place. One can at best ascertain that the retip is pleasing in the here and now. Aural memory simply isn’t that good. At best one can hope that a formerly great cartridge retains some of its characteristics in its new guise. If the retipper replaced like with like, there’s a best chance of that being true, e.g., same cantilever material and same stylus shape as original. Maybe that’s why factory retips are best.

“Only when you know what the cartridge is supposed to sound like can you say if it sounds much the same when retipped.”
@dogberry

Well said, I couldn’t agree with you anymore! I see so many carts being sold after being retipped at a price not worth paying for. I rather invest in a new cart available in same ball park as used prices.

@lewm +1000 on factory retips. Unfortunately, some of the original designers either passed away or no longer in business. Koetsu is one of the prime example. 

I might consider it, but only if there was some kind of guarantee and I'd be able to return it if dissatisfied. 

My thoughts against non-manufacturer rebuilds / retips have softened somewhat over time - of course partially out of necessity, with more old masters passing on (more reports to come in the next several years, I’m sure). At some point I’ll need to have a Koetsu rebuilt by 3rd party (had a few rebuilds done by Koetsu) - and that’s OK; life goes on. I’ve seen a couple 3rd party rebuilders using what looks like the exact same Japanese-sourced cantilever and stylus assembly used by Koetsu, and these should be a strong consideration (Ana Mighty Sound in France, Sửa Kim Than Cartridges in Vietnam). That said, I probably wouldn’t mind a Fritz Gyger on boron either. Groovetickler in USA also seems to do great work. Also check out "Delta667" on the vinylengine forums. He is a true fanatic in exploration of cartridge design & rebuilding! There is so much to learn from the massive "Cartridge Close-Ups - Show Your Shots!" thread, and people there even get along!

Once you replace original parts with something different, you go down the road of making a hybrid, and the spectrum of "good, but different". So what parts matter? Ortofon’s Kontrapunkt and Cadenza series (Kontra being the predecessor of Candezna) offer an interesting exploration into this question - each line had 4 models with basically the same motor generator and body (with some minor differences), but featuring different combinations of cantilever and stylus. Given my experience with these models, plus experience with different Koetsus, I’d place the magnet type and then cantilever material as having the highest sonic impact. Next is body type. With various Koetsu stones being very similar - that differentiation is more subtle than outright changing body material types (like from wood to stone or metal). Coil wire and stylus - I’d rate these as more subtle changes to the sound.

Of course the coil (windings and armature), damper, and yoke arrangement probably have largest impact on sound, but that is probably harder to isolate for a controlled comparison. I had a vintage Koetsu Onyx (non-platinum) rebuilt by Koetsu, and it sounded quite different - both to how it sounded before, and next to a modern Onyx Platinum. The older coils sounded more lush and "romantic".

lalitk, You don't need the original designer to replace the cantilever/stylus assembly with parts identical in physical characteristics to those of the original.  The question is whether such parts are still available, if the cartridge is very old.  For one example, one of my favorite cartridges, the B&O MMC1, came with what appeared to be under my microscope a hollow tubular sapphire cantilever, and if memory serves, the stylus was inserted across the hollow tube without glue. (I am relying on memory, because I accidentally tore the cantilever out of my MMC1 while trying to engage the built on stylus guard.)  The replacement, done by Soundsmith because of Peter Ledermann's expertise in B&O, is a solid sapphire rod and a glued stylus, with a very visible gob of glue holding the stylus in place.  Not at all "like new". And yet, not cheap.