Toe in is crucial


I’m like the rest of us, obsessing about the smallest tweaks in power supplies, USB cables, cable risers, room acoustics, etc. But an underrated (or discussed) speaker tweak is toe in.

in my system (SF Amati, Mc components, Cardas, Weiss) adjusting speaker toe in by as little as ¼ inch has greater impact on SQ than many cable and other tweaks I’ve made at the tail end of refinement. The impact (and trade off) on sound stage, imaging, and treble presentation, by the smallest adjustments is profound.

I wasn’t quite satisfied with my system tonight—a little too forward; a narrower soundstage than I like. A ¼ inch toe in adjustment took me from hifi to the concert.

Not sure if others have experienced this, but thought I’d share.

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This subject is on my mind right now. For years, I was listening in my room with no toe-in. About two years ago, i decided to toe in my speakers to see what, if anything, i might be missing. At the time, the toe-in I achieved allowed me to 'improve' the width of my soundstage and I was happy with that. Now about three months ago, i decided I wanted to hear what my old set up sounded like, so back to zero toe-in I went. Well to say the improvement is quite noticeable and in all ways better would be an understatement! I had noticed a very slight amount of brightness when the speakers were toed-in, assuming that this was part of a source problem, as the issue came and went depending on the recording. Now, that issue is no more, the horns again have the right amount of blat, the depth and soundstage is even wider and the bass is simply more there. No issues with any type of fatigue, that I now put down to the tweeters aimed directly at my ears before. So, although it clearly can be beneficial to toe-in, and highly system room dependent, the lesson here, at least for me, is that this not always the case. 

From now on, my speakers are straight ahead.

When ever I look at a wannabe audiophile's system...if there is no tow in they are either clueless or have an angry wife......

In my house of stereo with PBN MONTANA XPS speakers, I have zero toe-in. I learned from an audiogon member, that if your room is properly dimensioned and treated, there is no need for toe-in. I tried every toe-in imagineable before but I no longer ever need the need for any. Diffusion on first reflection points was the key.

@sounds_real_audio    Interesting comment, does that apply to what i posted above??

 

@baylinor  That is my experience as well.